Watch Ben Hogan 1967 Masters . For some reason he allowed clem darracott to film him. I think Hogan was leaving his masterpiece behind for all to see. The end product of 40 years of searching
Hogan had three secrets.
He TRACED...THRUST....and HINGED! The good news is we can all learn to do that. Unless you are just wanting to know how Hogan did it, it makes no sense to "copy" He was utilizing law...he was not the law. I was serious about the comment I borrowed from Snead. Hogan's swing is too "slashing" for me. This may be heresy but I have never been that enomored with his manner and disproportionate mystique! A bit off topic, I know but all roads do not lead to Hogan. I am a Gene Littler kinda guy, in terms of mph/rpm.
One last cheap shot. I once asked a 4 time British Open winner. What was Ben Hogan like? Response "He was a fierce competitior, but you would do better to copy Byron Nelson." I expressed this sentiment to Mr Nelson in 1993 (by showing up univited to his ranch in Roanaoke) He was not home at the time so I expressed it in a scribbled note. I left my name and address. Two weeks later I recieved a hand written letter with an autographed picture. his letter first chided me by saying he does not recieve univited guests at his home. The end to this story is almost predictable. I misplaced the letter and photo while moving house. Funny thing about the picture was that he must have been in his 80's! I fear it was jettisoned by my dearly beloved with unwanted papers etc. It is still a touchy topic, much like my wedding photos (with negatives) being stolen while on honeymoon. In fact i have not managed to keep my hands on practically any of the golfing memorabilia that I have been given over the years. I once owned one of Bobby Locke's flat white caps...he signed the label inside for me. That story is too painful. The real reason for my digression is to get to 400 posts!
He TRACED...THRUST....and HINGED! The good news is we can all learn to do that. Unless you are just wanting to know how Hogan did it, it makes no sense to "copy" He was utilizing law...he was not the law. I was serious about the comment I borrowed from Snead. Hogan's swing is too "slashing" for me. This may be heresy but I have never been that enomored with his manner and disproportionate mystique! A bit off topic, I know but all roads do not lead to Hogan. I am a Gene Littler kinda guy, in terms of mph/rpm.
One last cheap shot. I once asked a 4 time British Open winner. What was Ben Hogan like? Response "He was a fierce competitior, but you would do better to copy Byron Nelson." I expressed this sentiment to Mr Nelson in 1993 (by showing up univited to his ranch in Roanaoke) He was not home at the time so I expressed it in a scribbled note. I left my name and address. Two weeks later I recieved a hand written letter with an autographed picture. his letter first chided me by saying he does not recieve univited guests at his home. The end to this story is almost predictable. I misplaced the letter and photo while moving house. Funny thing about the picture was that he must have been in his 80's! I fear it was jettisoned by my dearly beloved with unwanted papers etc. It is still a touchy topic, much like my wedding photos (with negatives) being stolen while on honeymoon. In fact i have not managed to keep my hands on practically any of the golfing memorabilia that I have been given over the years. I once owned one of Bobby Locke's flat white caps...he signed the label inside for me. That story is too painful. The real reason for my digression is to get to 400 posts!
Slash slash Hogan thats true. Watch Snead then he uses the same motion with his right shoulder . Nelson not in the same ballpark
Slash slash Hogan thats true. Watch Snead then he uses the same motion with his right shoulder . Nelson not in the same ballpark
Tommy Armour though he had never seen anybody better than Nelson. but, Locke's advice to me was from the point of "how to be" not "how to swing"
Help me out here a bit. It took me a long time to understand that the left arm should be treated as though it is linguini...eldente. It does not move as much as it is moved. What moves it? The pivot, or the piston-like right arm. So other than giving the left arm the structure of a long as can be radius, courtesy of the below plane tug of extensor action, the left arm contributes little else (debunking all the golf is a left-sided game drivel) To me a shoulder turn takeaway is what results from attempting to take a straight left arm back with the arm itself (straight because of muscular tension not extensor action) Now I would freely admit that my left arm has to move up my chest on some kind of path. I know that Mac O Grady uses the nipple as some sort of land mark. To my way of understanding ONLY the right forearm (because it is on plane with the sweetspot) can provide the three dimensions neccessary. I'm sorry if I am missing the point. I know your expertise is far greater than my own. Work with me!
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Tommy Armour though he had never seen anybody better than Nelson. but, Locke's advice to me was from the point of "how to be" not "how to swing"
Help me out here a bit. It took me a long time to understand that the left arm should be treated as though it is linguini...eldente. It does not move as much as it is moved. What moves it? The pivot, or the piston-like right arm. So other than giving the left arm the structure of a long as can be radius, courtesy of the below plane tug of extensor action, the left arm contributes little else (debunking all the golf is a left-sided game drivel) To me a shoulder turn takeaway is what results from attempting to take a straight left arm back with the arm itself (straight because of muscular tension not extensor action) Now I would freely admit that my left arm has to move up my chest on some kind of path. I know that Mac O Grady uses the nipple as some sort of land mark. To my way of understanding ONLY the right forearm (because it is on plane with the sweetspot) can provide the three dimensions neccessary. I'm sorry if I am missing the point. I know your expertise is far greater than my own. Work with me!
It seems you are trying to take the piss out of me. How many start do you want ? Stick with your right forearm trying to find position golf.
No wonder people don't post on here
It seems you are trying to take the piss out of me. How many start do you want ? Stick with your right forearm trying to find position golf.
No wonder people don't post on here
Naw, Pistol, I am just not as far along as you are. I am just a mongrel nipping at your FJ's. Shrill, but no threat! I just thought the right forearm's angle of approach was an alignment, not a postion. I'm not sure what I said to make you think I was heralding position golf. That is not my intent, although my ignorance exercises its habits...daily. I will take you to task for being coy and secretive. Your prescription falls short of your diagnosis, doc. What do I not understand about RFT? I can be a sarastic S.O.B, but my delusions have no grandeur. I want to learn. As for those that do not post here (as you suggest) they simply do not! If I have had a hand in driving anyone away from this forum I apologize. But...the only altercation I have had was in response to the Dr. Z thing. I think Wolfman and I went a couple of rounds. My beef there was that people were jumping on the Homer was wrong band wagon (really a leaky boat!) Is there some guidance you can provide me, other than just watching the Hawk circa 1967? Sorry if I offended you.
I'm afraid it is far more complicated but results in a simpler swing.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
I'm afraid it is far more complicated but results in a simpler swing.
Mike told me that part of his formula for hitting it long and straight was to put the left hand heel pad on the side of the grip and not on top of it. Mike said this adjustment to the left hand heel pad allowed him to maximize power with accuracy.
Mike told me that part of his formula for hitting it long and straight was to put the left hand heel pad on the side of the grip and not on top of it. Mike said this adjustment to the left hand heel pad allowed him to maximize power with accuracy.
I agree that the left hand turned grip is ideal but I think Hogan got everything more correct than anybody in the history of the game. Not just judging by what he wrote, but also by what he did.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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