...is MOI the same thing as 'straight line frequency matching' ? If not, what is the difference between the 2 ?
I am no expert but no.. the frequency matching refers to the shaft frequency ...a straight line relationship between the shaft frequency from club to club.
MOI matching is a variation of swingweight matching.... but real swing weight!!
If swing weight is the "heft"of the club...what a club feels like to swing...ie. in motion.... then simply matching the static swingweight to D2 ( for example)...will not give a similar feel whilst swinging the club in real world.
MOI ( moment of Inertia )refers to a measurement of the WHOLE CLUB.... dynamic measurement... it is measured in some weird unit ...but basically you find a club that feels right when you swing it.... measure the whole club MOI of that club.... then use that as your target MOI and alter the shaft length and or weight so that the other irons feel the same when you swing them...that is the key...static feel will not be the same ...it is the swing feel in motion....
SO try swinging your 3 iron and 7 iron...( i assume they are not MOI matched) and you know which one is the 3 iron....
Appparently ...with MOI matched set then they feel the same when you swing them
Never tried it myself.
Note that MOI can be measured for the clubhead and this is the thing that i s quoted in drivers... higher MOI means less clubface twisting when you strike the ball away form the centre of gravity. The sweetspot ( representation of the centre of gravity on the face of the club) does not get bigger...the COG is a dot/pinhead in whatever club...so "enlarged sweetpot" or "sweet ZONE" is marketing.. it just mean higher clubhead MOI... so it feels like the sweetspot is bigger because you get less dispersion and less distance loss on off-centre hits.
Like i said ..no expert ...so correct if details are wrong...but that is my digested knowledge after reading Tom Wishon stuff.
Let me take a stab at giving everyone a feel for moment of inertia. Let us take two wheels, one that is lightweight aluminum and the other is steel. However, we are going to manufacture our wheels different geometrically while keeping the overall weight the same.
The aluminum wheel will be solid. The steel wheel will be a ring. If you were to mount these wheels such that you could rotate them with your hand (like when they are trying to close the valves when the submarine is sinking) and then try to rotate them (as if the wheel were rolling), the following would be what you would feel.
The steel wheel would be harder (2X as a matter of fact) to get started rotating than the aluminum one even though they weigh the same and are the same diameter. Once rotating, the steel wheel will be harder to stop than the aluminum wheel. This is the concept of moment of inertia.
Now the concept of MOI matching with golf clubs is too make each club feel the same as you rotate the club along your swing plane, i.e., have the same moment of inertia. Since we have different geometry in play (clubs of different length vs. our wheels of identical size) we must modify something else to match MOI. In the case of golf clubs you redistribute and change mass (weight) to match MOI (typically adding tip or grip weights) just like we did with our wheels by concentrating all the mass in a ring (steel) vs. having it uniformly distributed as in the aluminum wheel.
The same concept applies with clubheads. A high MOI driver has the mass concentrated in the shell as far away from the center of mass as possible. Also, the mass can be concentrated on either side of a preferential axis of rotation to increase the MOI about that axis. This is an important thought to keep in mind: MOI is a quantity that is only defined about an axis of rotation. With putters or drivers this axis is typically about the perpendicular to the face of the club meaning it will be resistant to motion (twisting) about that axis.
The upside is that high MOI clubheads want to be square when you swing them (they resist opening or closing). The downside is if you do manage to get them open or closed during your swing, they will resist yours efforts to get them back to square more so than a club of lessor MOI. Food for thought.
Oh, well enough physics for today. I'm heading to the golf course.
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Steph
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I had my new set built -MOI matched from 3-PW ,(the sw ,gw are weighted differently). They just feel so good.
The other thing I found as a result of the fitting process were how far" out" the lofts,lies and swingweight were on my previous set.
I had my new set built -MOI matched from 3-PW ,(the sw ,gw are weighted differently). They just feel so good.
The other thing I found as a result of the fitting process were how far" out" the lofts,lies and swingweight were on my previous set.
Which of your old clubs did you use as your target club, the ones to which the others were matched?
Which of your old clubs did you use as your target club, the ones to which the others were matched?
Also why did you choose that club as the target?
Thanks
I used a 7 iron from my old set and a 5 iron from a previous set.The 7 iron was a cavity and the 5 iron was a blade-all Hogans.It was interesting to find that they were both the same swingweight and 6.4 and 6.5 flex respectively ,and -they were 2 of the 3 clubs in THE WHOLE SET that had the correct lofts and lies .
The 5 and 6 Irons in the cavity set were only 2 degrees apart in loft and the swingweights varied from d4 to d1!.
So to answer the question -I hit both clubs good.
But as part of the fitting process I hit a bunch of 7 and 5 irons with slightly different flex ,lies and checked every one on a launch monitor and my lie angle was tweaked a 1/2 a degree.Launch monitors and impact tape don't lie!
I would strongly urge EVERYONE to get custom fitted -even if it is just to get your existing clubs set up correctly.
Just a note for Information ,I see that Henry Griffits are now making sets with screw in ,interchangeable shafts -at last.This is not to be taken as a plug for any manufacturer - just a recommendation to get fitted
You can use club-connex to fit any shaft to any head, a really good system that opens up a whole load of fitting options, not limited to any one brand.
A full fitting is definately a good idea for all golfers, even just to confirm that what you have is right!
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