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Old 10-12-2007, 09:53 AM
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It is well known that the brain has excellent proprioception for hand motion, signals passed from hand ( muscles, joints etc) UNCONSCIOUSLY and MORE RAPIDLY than the pressure sensation that we experience as "lag pressure" ( different neurones/ different speed of conduction/ different central processors). If there are two parts of the body which are more acutely monitored by your cerebellum than the hands and the head... well, i would be amazed....and by head i include eyes.... hand eye coordination is as much henad-head coordination IMO....

Any wonder why Homer talks about the hands and head so much??
Great post, golfbulldog.

When thinking of Homer's emphasis on the Hands, I am always reminded of the Homunculus and the disproportionate amount of the brain allocated to their functioning.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Great post, golfbulldog.

When thinking of Homer's emphasis on the Hands, I am always reminded of the Homunculus and the disproportionate amount of the brain allocated to their functioning.
Is that Ted in the second photo?
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:48 AM
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Is that Ted in the second photo?
It can't be me. He doesn't look pregnant.
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HAND CONTROLLED PIVOT - 3rd school
Had a long discussion with a TGM AI in Hong Kong about 10-24-F “Flip release”...Pivot controlled hand.

We said that we should really work out the different between HAND CONTROLLED PIVOT & PIVOT CONTROLLED HAND.

I, JMHO, believe Homer terms “Hand Controlled Pivot” and “Pivot Controlled Hands” does not mean “hand request the pivot” or “Pivot in response to hand” stuffs ….

I see these 2 terms as monitoring HANDS or PIVOT with Controlled Pivot or Controlled Hands respectively.

So many unnecessary disagreements were arisen with Hand control pivot or pivot control hand, seeing or treating the word controlled as control. As Homer said: always a dictionary definition.

Con·trolled – adjective
Con·trol – Verb

Just like Educated Hands (adjective with a noun)
Controlled Pivot
Controlled Hands

There is no terms of "Hand control pivot" or "Pivot control hand"

3rd school or primary school of thought?
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KOC,

I think the premise of TGM and Homers 40 years of work are based on the concept of a hands controlled pivot in which the hands are directed towards an aiming point.

The opposite is the use of pivot controlled hands which does not employ an aiming point procedure. Release happens when the hands reach their habitual release point in relation to the body.
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KOC,

I think the premise of TGM and Homers 40 years of work are based on the concept of a hands controlled pivot in which the hands are directed towards an aiming point.

The opposite is the use of pivot controlled hands which does not employ an aiming point procedure. Release happens when the hands reach their habitual release point in relation to the body.
Hands controlled pivot seems way too easy to be this good. I've never had so much fun hitting balls, and that's inside off freaking mats!

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance View Post
KOC,

I think the premise of TGM and Homers 40 years of work are based on the concept of a hands controlled pivot in which the hands are directed towards an aiming point.

The opposite is the use of pivot controlled hands which does not employ an aiming point procedure. Release happens when the hands reach their habitual release point in relation to the body.
Teachers, it stated the aiming point concept is employable for pivot controlled hand, 10-24-F.
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Teachers, it stated the aiming point concept is employable for pivot controlled hand, 10-24-F.
Not a teacher KOC, just a fellow seeker.

It is stated in 10-24-F that there is an "alternative" to the aiming point procedure. Meaning there is no direct aiming point procedure available for the Flip Release, but there is an alternative for getting in the right position such that the hands reach the correct low point (impact fix) condition for straightaway ball/clubface impact. That is; opening or closing the stance line depending on club selection.

I'm not against the Flip Release and I'll wager that the vast majority of golfers use it unknowingly. Classic basic instruction:
Use a shoulder turn takeway
Keep the Triangle maintained
Turn around the spine
Swing the clubhead
Roll the forearms through impact

Nothing really wrong with it except there is no right forearm takeaway and no aiming with the hands to their impact fix location, thus no guarantee of consistency. (I guess there is something basically wrong here).

I think your word play of Control vs Controlled is not a good use of grammer. I agree with the dictionary definitions, but when they are used as a descriptive title "Pivot Control Hands" it is grammatically incorrect. Unfortunately the English language isn't very flexible so even if Homer wanted to use Pivot Control Hands to better express the "action" of the procedure, it would still be grammatically correct to describe it as Pivot Controlled Hands.
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