Uncocking the Left Wrist ThrowOUT . . .

[12 piece bucket]

In my opinion, I'd word the above thoughts as follows (just a different way to look at it):

Regardless of plane, (inclined -steep, flat - , horizontal plane - Yoda practice) the uncocking of the flat left wrist is a Perpendicular Motion (2-P). That and only that. The uncocking of the left wrist is Lever Extension only (2-P).
Per 6-B-2-0 2nd Power accum (wristcock) "Cetrifugal force (is) available to acutate this assembly (the uncocking of the wrist - perpendicular motion).
When talking of of the wrist uncocking, no need to associate OUT. Centrifugal force is the Throw out. Centrifugal force or throw out is already in operation, as per reference above, cetrifugal force is available to accutate the uncocking of the wrist for velocity power.

Is the appearance of the uncocking down and out as a result of an inclined plane? Yes. SHOULD EFFORT be made to "make" specifically the uncocking down and out? No. The only thought should be of a Perpendicular Motion, as per 2-P.

Control direction (of throwout) via # 3 pressure point in right hand.

I think you are correct. However, I think throw out must happen on-plane . . . so it is On-Plane Throw Out. Throw Out can certainly be given over to CF for sure. But I think that many (me included) neglect to understand that the #3 Accumulator Roll/Swivel prior to Low Point is an OUTWARD motion. One of the most difficult things to learn is to Roll and Swivel while maintaining a relationship to straight Plane Line. I'm not sure that you can just turn that over to CF at least in the steeper learning curve portion of a G.O.L.F.er's life. If you Roll and Swivel underplane you just executed the #1 Snare . . . Steering. Uncock (extend the lever) down and out on plane to the plane line . . . roll out on plane to low point.

Another misconception that I think I'm starting to hatch in the incubator is that deemed #2 is the Velocity Accumulator . . . NOT because the uncocking happens fast. But because the Uncocking is simply an extension of the radius . . . and since the clubhead is at the end of the radius it speed is increased geometrically as a result of being further from the axis of rotation. So it is simply lever extension . . . not necessarily any great effort or need to happen "fast". As a result of the extension (fleeing from center) the clubhead's speed increases. But also as a result of the extension and the law of conservation of angular momentum, the angular velocity of the entire system slows down because the radius is extended. So you can't make it speed up around the CIRCLE but you will get speed as a result of the extension of the lever assembly with the clubhead being farther from the center of rotation.

So basically don't try to speed it up around the circle . . . you can't. Just extend the lever assembly DOWNPLANE and as a result the clubhead has to go faster. But the entire unit moves around the circle SLOWER in compliance with law. Angular Momentum = Mass X Angular Velocity X Radius . . . Radius is bigger . . . mass is constant . . . so Angular Velocity MUST go down inorder to conserve momentum. But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle.

[Yoda]

So basically don't try to speed it up around the circle . . . you can't. Just extend the lever assembly DOWNPLANE and as a result the clubhead has to go faster. But the entire unit moves around the circle SLOWER in compliance with law. Angular Momentum = Mass X Angular Velocity X Radius . . . Radius is bigger . . . mass is constant . . . so Angular Velocity MUST go down inorder to conserve momentum. But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle.

A year or so ago, I told everybody not to confuse Bucket's cyber-persona with his brains and in-depth understanding of the Golf Stroke. This post is only more evidence that I got it right.

For all you do, Rich...

Thanks.

[cpwindow4]

I think you are correct. However, I think throw out must happen on-plane . . . so it is On-Plane Throw Out. Throw Out can certainly be given over to CF for sure. But I think that many (me included) neglect to understand that the #3 Accumulator Roll/Swivel prior to Low Point is an OUTWARD motion. One of the most difficult things to learn is to Roll and Swivel while maintaining a relationship to straight Plane Line. I'm not sure that you can just turn that over to CF at least in the steeper learning curve portion of a G.O.L.F.er's life. If you Roll and Swivel underplane you just executed the #1 Snare . . . Steering. Uncock (extend the lever) down and out on plane to the plane line . . . roll out on plane to low point.

Another misconception that I think I'm starting to hatch in the incubator is that deemed #2 is the Velocity Accumulator . . . NOT because the uncocking happens fast. But because the Uncocking is simply an extension of the radius . . . and since the clubhead is at the end of the radius it speed is increased geometrically as a result of being further from the axis of rotation. So it is simply lever extension . . . not necessarily any great effort or need to happen "fast". As a result of the extension (fleeing from center) the clubhead's speed increases. But also as a result of the extension and the law of conservation of angular momentum, the angular velocity of the entire system slows down because the radius is extended. So you can't make it speed up around the CIRCLE but you will get speed as a result of the extension of the lever assembly with the clubhead being farther from the center of rotation.

So basically don't try to speed it up around the circle . . . you can't. Just extend the lever assembly DOWNPLANE and as a result the clubhead has to go faster. But the entire unit moves around the circle SLOWER in compliance with law. Angular Momentum = Mass X Angular Velocity X Radius . . . Radius is bigger . . . mass is constant . . . so Angular Velocity MUST go down inorder to conserve momentum. But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle.

Note: Im not TGM, but what would you say if the down cocking happens with slow down of hands-arm-shoulder ect. I think thats what your getting at. So am I right on the point if the down happens the out (pivot) will. Is it not? What would happen if the right arm is out of place (off plane) is that what you ment by steer? or roll out.
The reason I say this- lots of players I see over accelerate the hands and or right arm .

[12 piece bucket]

Note: Im not TGM, but what would you say if the down cocking happens with slow down of hands-arm-shoulder ect. I think thats what your getting at. So am I right on the point if the down happens the out (pivot) will. Is it not? What would happen if the right arm is out of place (off plane) is that what you ment by steer? or roll out.
The reason I say this- lots of players I see over accelerate the hands and or right arm .

Kinda. Here's what I'm saying . . . imagine you have a string with a weight on the end. You start swinging it around in a circle with some of the string still left in your hand. Now you let some of the string out so the radius effectively just got longer. Assuming uniform circular motion (you don't add torque or force to speed it up), angular momentum will be conserved. So when you had the relatively smaller circle the weight traveled faster in terms of RPMs. But once you extended the radius the RPMs (angular velocity) DECREASED inorder to conserve angular momentum (=MassXAngularVelocityXRadius). The mass is constant so when the radius gets bigger or smaller as a result the RPMs must increase or decrease accordingly. BUT . . . with the larger radius you are picking up Tangential Velocity as a result of the weight being farther from the center of rotation.

So basically radius increases then angular velocity decreases BUT tangential speed increases. This is what Homer meant by Surface Speed. The RPM of the entire system is decreasing as the radius is extended but clubhead speed surface speed increases geometrically as a result of the EXTENSION and not the effort to create more handspeed.

This is why Homer said the Swinger needs a quick start down. As a result of the lever assembly being out-of-line due to wrist cock it is easier to accelerate because its moment of inertia is smaller (think of the string deal with the smaller circle). With a smaller radius you can really get the thing whipping around (accelerating angularly) fast. So you have jacked up the rpms of the system via the out of line condition (shortened radius). Then as the lever assembly gets extented via the uncocking surface speed gets multiplied because the clubhead is further from the center. Thus Homer says the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on. You don't need to "add" you just need to EXTEND. The extension is the mechanical advantage via the conservation of angular momentum. It is LAW. Law don't take no lunch breaks.

Now as far as the steering question. Yes. I think the right arm can certianly cause steering (bending the plane line). But what I was talking about was the #3 accumulator left wrist rolling. I tend to roll it left thus bending the plane line rather than rolling it ON THAT LINE. See the video below . . .

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=517 click "are you ready to roll on that line"

That's rolling out on plane while tracing a straight.

[EdZ]

So basically radius increases then angular velocity decreases BUT tangential speed increases. This is what Homer meant by Surface Speed. The RPM of the entire system is decreasing as the radius is extended but clubhead speed surface speed increases geometrically as a result of the EXTENSION and not the effort to create more handspeed.

This is why Homer said the Swinger needs a quick start down. As a result of the lever assembly being out-of-line due to wrist cock it is easier to accelerate because its moment of inertia is smaller (think of the string deal with the smaller circle). With a smaller radius you can really get the thing whipping around (accelerating angularly) fast. So you have jacked up the rpms of the system via the out of line condition (shortened radius). Then as the lever assembly gets extented via the uncocking surface speed gets multiplied because the clubhead is further from the center. Thus Homer says the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on. You don't need to "add" you just need to EXTEND. The extension is the mechanical advantage via the conservation of angular momentum. It is LAW. Law don't take no lunch breaks.
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Which brings into question the often mentioned 'straight left arm'.

Indeed, there are multiple consistency benefits of extensor action, but properly understood and utilized, allowing a bent left arm is a power source.

[cpwindow4]

Thanks bucket,
trying to get the words right for crossover information as you know. Good about the fast start down.

[gmbtempe]

Kinda. Here's what I'm saying . . . imagine you have a string with a weight on the end. You start swinging it around in a circle with some of the string still left in your hand. Now you let some of the string out so the radius effectively just got longer. Assuming uniform circular motion (you don't add torque or force to speed it up), angular momentum will be conserved. So when you had the relatively smaller circle the weight traveled faster in terms of RPMs. But once you extended the radius the RPMs (angular velocity) DECREASED inorder to conserve angular momentum (=MassXAngularVelocityXRadius). The mass is constant so when the radius gets bigger or smaller as a result the RPMs must increase or decrease accordingly. BUT . . . with the larger radius you are picking up Tangential Velocity as a result of the weight being farther from the center of rotation.

So basically radius increases then angular velocity decreases BUT tangential speed increases. This is what Homer meant by Surface Speed. The RPM of the entire system is decreasing as the radius is extended but clubhead speed surface speed increases geometrically as a result of the EXTENSION and not the effort to create more handspeed.

This is why Homer said the Swinger needs a quick start down. As a result of the lever assembly being out-of-line due to wrist cock it is easier to accelerate because its moment of inertia is smaller (think of the string deal with the smaller circle). With a smaller radius you can really get the thing whipping around (accelerating angularly) fast. So you have jacked up the rpms of the system via the out of line condition (shortened radius). Then as the lever assembly gets extented via the uncocking surface speed gets multiplied because the clubhead is further from the center. Thus Homer says the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on. You don't need to "add" you just need to EXTEND. The extension is the mechanical advantage via the conservation of angular momentum. It is LAW. Law don't take no lunch breaks.

I find this portion of this quote fascinating.

I see a very short radius in Phil Mickelson's swinging motion. I think he keeps his radius as tight as possible.

Is this in line with what you were saying bucket?

I really messed around with this concept yesterday via a straight line deliver with a hard rope pull maneuver. Driver speeds increased by 5mph instantly and my hands were much further forward at the delivery position.

shows good here at about 1:45

[12 piece bucket]

I find this portion of this quote fascinating.

I see a very short radius in Phil Mickelson's swinging motion. I think he keeps his radius as tight as possible.

Is this in line with what you were saying bucket?

I really messed around with this concept yesterday via a straight line deliver with a hard rope pull maneuver. Driver speeds increased by 5mph instantly and my hands were much further forward at the delivery position.

shows good here at about 1:45

here's a few to consider in this regard . . . . I really really really like this dude . . . talked to him on the phone today . . . nice cat smart cookie . . . . watch all these videos. There's a lot of endless belt stuff in this and pulley diameter stuff here . . . baseball is a bit different due to the ball being struck generally more downplane in baseball . . . this is some good stuff . . .

this here is another fascinating study to me . . . .

[david sandridge]

Looks like a little sit down to me.......Oh was I supposed to be lookin at the hands.

[gmbtempe]

Awesome stuff Bucket....any nuggets you can share from your conversation?