These images essentially show a lag pressure drill recomended by Hogan in Modern Fundamentals of Golf ( photo taken from DL's book Modern Fundamentals of Hogan)
What would happen if we used Lidocaine to anaesthetise the skin over pp3?? Suddenly become pivot controlled hands??
We would knock out the nerves which carry impulses from pressure sensors which presumably are the origin of PP3 experience. Might be able to achieve some effect with topical anaesthesia ( like they do with kids for needles)... but may need to pin Bucket down and get the hypodermic!
Volunteers please form an orderly queue!!!!!!
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????
Dude where'd you find that pic? That is cool!
It would be sweet to see Mr. Hogan perform that drill and see if he got the old Quarter Turn? It sure looks like it has loaded on the the knuckle to me???
It would be sweet to see Mr. Hogan perform that drill and see if he got the old Quarter Turn? It sure looks like it has loaded on the the knuckle to me???
Hmmmmmmm . . .
Run Forrest!!!!!!!!!
“And a final word about those potential swing-wreckers, the right forefinger and thumb… an extremely beneficial exercise is to practise ( perhaps five minutes daily for a week) is to grip the club and swing it with the right forefinger and thumb entirely off the shaft”
Modern Fundamantals of Golf by Ben Hogan
Photo from Leadbetter's book "The Fundamentals of Hogan"
Ben Hogan ( in Home movie video in gallery) almost does this drill when displaying HIS pressure points in the grip... I think that 5 minutes daily for life is the minimium!
Also to do this right hand only with eyes closed... have a go... it seems like a good way to get people to realise that LAG is something that you experience rather than just the appearance of left wristcock ( which is commonly considered as the visual equivalent)... of course now you are hitting but it makes the point that lag is not wristcock alone...you see what i mean...? i think...?
My point about numbing pp3 was only slightly joking... it would be fascinating to see what happened to a players precision if you deprived the swing of its primary sensor! Go on bucket , next time you go to the dentist , ask them to slip the little needle in around pp3... then off to the range make sure you got video though!
You would still technically have "position sense" receptors telling your brain how cocked the left wrist was but LAAAGGG is so much more than that... don't you think?
Last edited by golfbulldog : 02-15-2007 at 03:37 AM.
You see, Bucket.... i was only half-joking...in the real lab you could get away with this kind of stuff!
Whilst i recommend numbing pp3... i do not advise intra-articular injection of fingers or the left wrist!!!!!!!! but if you were looking to volunteer... we could find some space in a country whose science is not held back by minor considerations such as "ethics committees"....
“And a final word about those potential swing-wreckers, the right forefinger and thumb… an extremely beneficial exercise is to practise ( perhaps five minutes daily for a week) is to grip the club and swing it with the right forefinger and thumb entirely off the shaft”
Modern Fundamantals of Golf by Ben Hogan
Photo from Leadbetter's book "The Fundamentals of Hogan"
Ben Hogan ( in Home movie video in gallery) almost does this drill when displaying HIS pressure points in the grip... I think that 5 minutes daily for life is the minimium!
Also to do this right hand only with eyes closed... have a go... it seems like a good way to get people to realise that LAG is something that you experience rather than just the appearance of left wristcock ( which is commonly considered as the visual equivalent)... of course now you are hitting but it makes the point that lag is not wristcock alone...you see what i mean...? i think...?
My point about numbing pp3 was only slightly joking... it would be fascinating to see what happened to a players precision if you deprived the swing of its primary sensor! Go on bucket , next time you go to the dentist , ask them to slip the little needle in around pp3... then off to the range make sure you got video though!
You would still technically have "position sense" receptors telling your brain how cocked the left wrist was but LAAAGGG is so much more than that... don't you think?
That was pretty funny! . . . . My hygenist is hot too . . . .
I USED TO THINK a cocked left wrist was lag . . . . but it ain't!
It would be sweet to see Mr. Hogan perform that drill and see if he got the old Quarter Turn? It sure looks like it has loaded on the the knuckle to me???
Hmmmmmmm . . .
Run Forrest!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure that there is another picture in 5 Lessons of Ben Hogan's hands on the club with the word 'Pressure' that has two arrows: one pointing to the meaty part of PP3 on the back of the shaft, and the other pointing right on the top of the shaft.
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"The Body, Arms and Hands have specific assignments during the Golf Stroke, and they must be coordinated into one efficient motion." - Lynn Blake
I'm pretty sure that there is another picture in 5 Lessons of Ben Hogan's hands on the club with the word 'Pressure' that has two arrows: one pointing to the meaty part of PP3 on the back of the shaft, and the other pointing right on the top of the shaft.
Yes - it is in the grip section and is more on top of the shaft than pp3 would be at address. The fact that it is in the section where he discusses grip makes it feel static pressure is being described rather than the dynamic pp3 pressure ... but maybe Hogan was leaving the odd clue!
Yes - it is in the grip section and is more on top of the shaft than pp3 would be at address. The fact that it is in the section where he discusses grip makes it feel static pressure is being described rather than the dynamic pp3 pressure ... but maybe Hogan was leaving the odd clue!
Let's listen to what Mr.Hogan has to say about this in his own words:
(Page 27) - "A further word about the thumb area of the right hand. To promote a right hand grip that is strong where it should be strong (and which will then more than offset the dangerous tendency to let the tips of thumb and forefinger work like a pincer), I recommend the golfer-reader to cultivate the following habit: School yourself when you are taking your grip so that the thumb and the adjoining part of the hand across the V - the part that is the upper extension of the forefinger - press up against each other tightly, as inseparable as Siamese twins. Keep them pressed together as you begin to affix your grip, and maintain this airtight pressure between them when you fold the right hand over the left thumb. In this connection, I like to feel that the knuckle on the back of my right hand above the forefinger is pressing to the left, toward my target. It rides almost on top of the shaft. I know then that the club has to be in my fingers. Furthermore, when you fold the right hand over the left thumb - and there is a lot left to fold over - the left thumb will fit perfectly in the "cup" formed in the palm of your folded right hand. They fit together like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle. This union of left thumb and right thumb pad strengthens the welding together of the two hands and it serves to add real reinforcement to your grip, particularly at the top of the backswing where poor grips are most likely to deteriorate. When you check your right-hand grip, the V formed by the thumb and forefinger should be pointing right at the button of your chin.
"And a final word about those potential swing-wreckers, the right forefinger and thumb. While the tips of the forefinger and thumb do serve the advanced golfer as his finesse fingers, learning to use them only for touch in striking the ball requires some training. You will develop this talent as you go along. However, at this stage of the game when breaking down bad habits and acquiring correct new habits is our paramount consideration, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the average golfer should forget about this finesse business completely. It can do him so much more harm than good in learning how to use the right hand. In this connection, an extremely beneficial exercise to practice (perhaps five minutes daily for a week) is to grip the club and swing it with the right forefinger and thumb entirely off the shaft. This gives a golfer a wonderful sense of having just one corporate hand on the club. This, of course, is the ideal. When you complete your grip, try to feel that the tips of the forefinger and thumb are hardly on the club and strive instead to build up that opposite feeling (which we described earlier) that the knuckle above the forefinger is pressing toward the thumb and toward the target."
It really sounds like he knew what he was talking about (slight understatement?)
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"Golf is not a subject but a motor skill which can only be learned and not taught." - Michael Hebron
"The Body, Arms and Hands have specific assignments during the Golf Stroke, and they must be coordinated into one efficient motion." - Lynn Blake
Let's listen to what Mr.Hogan has to say about this in his own words:
(Page 27) - "A further word about the thumb area...
"And a final word...
It really sounds like he knew what he was talking about (slight understatement?)
Ben Hogan's written words are a treasure chest of information, but his spoken words are even better.
If you haven't already -- and maybe even if you have -- be sure to watch the Hogan home video in our Gallery. In the last part of the video, the man himself tells us what to do and then demonstrates how to do it. Click on the link and then the Hogan Home Video icon.
Especially important is his description of the #3 Pressure Point (right forefinger) directly behind the shaft, an explanation totally missing from his book, Five Lessons.
Ben Hogan's written words are a treasure chest of information, but his spoken words are even better.
If you haven't already -- and maybe even if you have -- be sure to watch the Hogan home video in our Gallery. In the last part of the video, the man himself tells us what to do and then demonstrates how to do it. Click on the link and then the Hogan Home Video icon.
Especially important is his description of the #3 Pressure Point (right forefinger) directly behind the shaft, an explanation totally missing from his book, Five Lessons.
I agree 100%... it is not only a charming piece of footage...there is nothing of the "wee ice mon" here... it is all smiles and warmth... a side of Ben Hogan he had every right to preserve for his loving frineds and family...BUT it is absolute dynamite instruction...the keys to the kingdom of golf... truly inspiring!
EVERYBODY should do that drill Hogan does with the super slow motion Total Motion swing and ACTUALLY HIT THE BALL WITHOUT FLIPPING . . . that is hard to do. If you focus your attention on the clubhead . . . you'll flip it. But if you're Monitoring the hands . . . you can still compress it at that low speed because you still have Mass and Radius going to Full Lever Extension.
And another observation . . . Mr. Hogan had to look better than anybody to walk the face of earth in a pair of pants. He was a dang fashion plate.
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