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Old 09-26-2006, 09:39 AM
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I believe there is a connection somewhere somehow between Yoda, HK and Paul Betholy.
Here is an exercise PB employed - looks like learning the snap release with a lead pipe
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...side_clip.html
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Old 09-26-2006, 10:55 AM
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I believe there is a connection somewhere somehow between Yoda, HK and Paul Bertholy.
I was a student of both Homer Kelley and Paul Bertholy. First Homer (in January 1982) and then Paul (in September 1983). To my knowledge, they never met, nor did they correspond in any way. I would be surprised if either knew of the other's exisence.

During my three days with Paul, he showed me his golfing library. In fact, he gave me two books, one of which was Golf (1927) by Bob MacDonald. Interestingly, modern-day guru Jim Hardy has credited that book as the inspiration for his Two-Plane Swing concept.

After that visit, I wrote a thank-you letter to Paul and his wife, Missy, and shared my thoughts on the experience. I'll see if I can't dig it out of the files and post it in the Clubhouse Lounge (Young Yoda thread).
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I believe there is a connection somewhere somehow between Yoda, HK and Paul Betholy.
Here is an exercise PB employed - looks like learning the snap release with a lead pipe
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...side_clip.html
That's the "claw"- I don't think it is a snap release since it is the only release PB used but certainly delays impact.
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:30 PM
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Golf By Bob MacDonald
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mmm, the only book I know of that Bob MacDonald wrote was
Golf at a glance : the pocket pro.
Publisher: Chicago : Bruce-Roberts, 1931.
Is that the one you speak of. If so virtually impossible to find.
Nope, the book is Golf, written by Bob MacDonald and published by Wallace Press, Chicago, in 1927. The author's name is listed on the front cover as Bob MacDonald. His photograph appears inside the book above the name Robert G. MacDonald.

The book is not quite coffee-table size, but it is close. It is richly illustrated and contains line drawings, posed stills (illustrating both 'how to' and 'how not to') and action sequences taken from motion film.

The man was a supreme Golf Stroke Mechanic and well ahead of his time. In the pages of his book can be found such concepts as the left shoulder as the center of the swing arc; the right forearm/elbow pickup; the hands-controlled pivot; the left arm flying wedge (though not termed such); and a startlingly accurate description of the interaction of the left arm and right shoulder during the downstroke (the #4 Power Accumulator). Also, his drills for learning the correct action of the Pivot and the independent Arm Swing are among the best I've ever seen.
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Robert G. (Bob) McDonald wrote both books referenced above. He also wrote Golfer's Handbooks: The Game, The Irons Shots and Putting, The Grip, Stance, and Swing, The Rules Simplified (4 volumes) in 1948.
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Nope, the book is Golf, written by Bob MacDonald and published by Wallace Press, Chicago, in 1927. The author's name is listed on the front cover as Bob MacDonald. His photograph appears inside the book above the name Robert G. MacDonald.

The book is not quite coffee-table size, but it is close. It is richly illustrated and contains line drawings, posed stills (illustrating both 'how to' and 'how not to') and action sequences taken from motion film.

The man was a supreme Golf Stroke Mechanic and well ahead of his time. In the pages of his book can be found such concepts as the left shoulder as the center of the swing arc; the right forearm/elbow pickup; the hands-controlled pivot; the left arm flying wedge (though not termed such); and a startlingly accurate description of the interaction of the left arm and right shoulder during the downstroke (the #4 Power Accumulator). Also, his drills for learning the correct action of the Pivot and the independent Arm Swing are among the best I've ever seen.
Hey Stinky! Could you tells about them drills? Or is it double-naught-spy type info?
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Old 02-11-2007, 09:57 PM
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You want a copy? We can talk . . . PM me.
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Nope, the book is Golf, written by Bob MacDonald and published by Wallace Press, Chicago, in 1927. The author's name is listed on the front cover as Bob MacDonald. His photograph appears inside the book above the name Robert G. MacDonald.

The book is not quite coffee-table size, but it is close. It is richly illustrated and contains line drawings, posed stills (illustrating both 'how to' and 'how not to') and action sequences taken from motion film.

The man was a supreme Golf Stroke Mechanic and well ahead of his time. In the pages of his book can be found such concepts as the left shoulder as the center of the swing arc; the right forearm/elbow pickup; the hands-controlled pivot; the left arm flying wedge (though not termed such); and a startlingly accurate description of the interaction of the left arm and right shoulder during the downstroke (the #4 Power Accumulator). Also, his drills for learning the correct action of the Pivot and the independent Arm Swing are among the best I've ever seen.
Few images ...

Here he talks about picking up right arm in backstroke:-


Here is impact alignments:-


Lagging clubhead takeaway:-


Arm drills:-



Bit similar to Hogans "Modern Fundamentals" mini swings...?

Also his grip feeling ( similar to Ben Doyle "How to build a G.o.L.F Game"...?


Apology if Breach of copyright...book is 80 years old and out of print... is this allowed ... hope so...
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Apology if Breach of copyright...book is 80 years old and out of print... is this allowed ... hope so...


Thank you, Golfbulldog. Let's go one step further and put up Exercises #3 and #4. These constitute a pure TGM Pivot.

Note the Centered Head in #3.

Note the Centered and Turned Head in #4.

Note the Flat Backstroke Hip and Shoulder Turns in #4 and especially the absence of Backstroke Shoulder Turn "pie" (inclination of the back from the vertical).

This is the Pivot I teach and have taught since 1982, regardless of misrepresentations to the contrary.

Per Homer Kelley:

1-L-#1 "The Stationary Post (Player's Head) accurately returns the Clubhead to the Ball."

1-L-#2 "The Post may turn (Pivot) but it does not Sway or Bob."
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