It seems to me, that this is the only thing that ever seems to get debated.
I notice in another place in cyberspace that there is pictures of Lynn with a tripod (from a 10-5-E variation for hitting and a handheld hence non-level camera that is not square on the plane line, playing in the middle of winter in a windy day and I think he said he had 5 layers of clothes on - I might add). Through my work in 3d - just a few degrees out and you can find that you can totally change the impression of things. I mean its laughable, this is the guy that said he needs some solid scientific proof and he then takes from a ghosty and double compressed video and makes some suspicious pictures. Do you recon these where good conditions from which to judge???
Lack of their knowledge never allows them to debate anything else...
Unfortunately for the naysayers, this does not detract from the principle. And for every person that you can find that sways, I can find one with a perfectly centered pivot. There is the ideal and like in every game you play, every deviation of it - you lose....
It seems to me, that this is the only thing that ever seems to get debated.
I notice in another place in cyberspace that there is pictures of Lynn with a tripod (from a 10-5-E variation for hitting and a handheld hence non-level camera that is not square on the plane line, playing in the middle of winter in a windy day and I think he said he had 5 layers of clothes on - I might add). Through my work in 3d - just a few degrees out and you can find that you can totally change the impression of things. I mean its laughable, this is the guy that said he needs some solid scientific proof and he then takes from a ghosty and double compressed video and makes some suspicious pictures. Do you recon these where good conditions from which to judge???
Lack of their knowledge never allows them to debate anything else...
Unfortunately for the naysayers, this does not detract from the principle. And for every person that you can find that sways, I can find one with a perfectly centered pivot. There is the ideal and like in every game you play, every deviation of it - you lose....
It is possible and it is correct...
The crux of the matter is this (and I don't think I can say it strongly enough)...
The Head is related to the Left Shoulder (by the simple fact that it rides on the plane of the shoulder girdle) which is the Low Point of the Swing.
If your Head moves to the Right or to the Left of the Center of the Stance, the Low Point moves thus, you have to either...
1) Move it back to Center at impact or,
2) Shift your aiming point forward (if your head shifts right of center and stays there through impact) or backward (if your head shifts left of center and stays there through impact) to allow your club to get into an in-line position and not hit the ground first or the top of the ball or,
3) Have a ball position that already FACTORS in the amount of 'sway'.
With all due respect, if you have to ask me, "What are you talking about; can you elaborate on these compensations?", then use a Stationary Head Center.
Again, if your answer to the question "Can you make these 'compensations' at the same time, all the time?" is less than an affirmative 'YES!', use the Stationary Head Center.
The crux of the matter is this (and I don't think I can say it strongly enough)...
The Head is related to the Left Shoulder (by the simple fact that it rides on the plane of the shoulder girdle) which is the Low Point of the Swing.
If your Head moves to the Right or to the Left of the Center of the Stance, the Low Point moves thus, you have to either...
1) Move it back to Center at impact or,
2) Shift your aiming point forward (if your head shifts right of center and stays there through impact) or backward (if your head shifts left of center and stays there through impact) to allow your club to get into an in-line position and not hit the ground first or the top of the ball or,
3) Have a ball position that already FACTORS in the amount of 'sway'.
With all due respect, if you have to ask me, "What are you talking about; can you elaborate on these compensations?", then use a Stationary Head Center.
Again, if your answer to the question "Can you make these 'compensations' at the same time, all the time?" is less than an affirmative 'YES!', use the Stationary Head Center.
The crux of the matter is that the nature of the power package alignments and the way best to plan the shoulder motion's dynamically moving line per law of the triangle into impact.
You see the impact alignments that Homer Kelley pointed out relate to the primary lever assembly and the right forarm positioning - if you see the power package you have two which are under the constant control of the hands to precise alignments however if you visualise you can see yet another triangle from the left shoulder to the right elbow. By just using the primary lever alignments and right forearm alignments this triangle sits on a plane - this plane can be rotated on a line from the right elbow and the only means of control you have to this triangle is the amount of elbow bend. Elbow bend at fix is an amount in degrees and as such the best you can have a close approximation with the intention of the stationary head allowing enough leeway with the point between the shoulders that the right shoulder thrusts to a point (hip slide) before spining on its axis without significantly affecting the nature of the power package alignments mid stroke. This is fine tuning...
If you move the head out of its constant stationary position...suddenly the whole clubhead orbit and how your alignments operates, changes during the downstroke and becomes out of presise control. You turn a mechanical advantage into a thing that requires compensation. This is on a different radio show altogether...
The stationary head is a wonderful thing. The centered arc is the fundamental bedrock (as Jack Nicklaus might say) of G.O.L.F.
It seems to me, that this is the only thing that ever seems to get debated.
Ya it is a hot topic it seems. (important tho no?...look at all the responses even)
Look how easily we got on it this time around.
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I notice in another place in cyberspace that there is pictures of Lynn with a tripod (from a 10-5-E variation for hitting and a handheld hence non-level camera that is not square on the plane line, playing in the middle of winter in a windy day and I think he said he had 5 layers of clothes on - I might add). Through my work in 3d - just a few degrees out and you can find that you can totally change the impression of things. I mean its laughable, this is the guy that said he needs some solid scientific proof and he then takes from a ghosty and double compressed video and makes some suspicious pictures. Do you recon these where good conditions from which to judge???
Yes.
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Lack of their knowledge never allows them to debate anything else...
Yes.
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Unfortunately for the naysayers, this does not detract from the principle. And for every person that you can find that sways, I can find one with a perfectly centered pivot. There is the ideal and like in every game you play, every deviation of it - you lose....
It is possible and it is correct...
"Possible" I of course have no problem with. Even "possible to play world class golf with extreme precision"...no problem with that whatsoever.
Again: "Whatever works (best)."
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However, it is "correct" (or "perfect" or "always ideal" or "superior" or w/e other rigid words) that I do not like....
...when it is given as the only option I mean.
And in my opinion, "you lose" is incorrect, or (at the very least) very incomplete.
Last edited by birdie_man : 11-17-2006 at 09:18 PM.
There are so many posts to answer...(and lord knows I can't stop now)...
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Posts #121 and 122 (almost didn't get through 122 tho...I'm very tired) are typical...and even seem very logical BTW.
That is not "end of story" tho by any means.
You have regurgitated what Homer says and have not addressed WHY it is possible to play such good golf with a head that is not Stationary or not always Stationary between the feet.
To answer quickly, my response (and there are those who know much better than me) would be that anatomical "things" make it reliable (I know that is vague but it's Friday night and I don't really care...think about it for a bit tho)....
...as an aside from the simple logic and Geometry of "Low Point is here and if your head moves Low Point moves and must then move back."
Again that is only my answer and there are those who know much better than me.
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I'm gonna toss in a "whatever works (best)" here too BTW. (*toss*)
Originally Posted by comdpa
With all due respect, if you have to ask me, "What are you talking about; can you elaborate on these compensations?", then use a Stationary Head Center.
Uh no thanks Justin. (it's Justin right?)
I understand the "compensations" very well thank you. Glad you actually listed them tho. (some ppl say things and don't give any reasoning)
Last edited by birdie_man : 11-17-2006 at 09:23 PM.
Everyone has compensations in their swings, so live with it. Sometimes, getting rid of or minimising these compensations will improve your ball striking. Sometimes it won't. The student and teacher has to figure it out. For a purpose built machine, it certainly will improve its ball striking. But humans are not machines no matter how much we want it to be.
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