We are making some progress here even though we have some terminology issues to resolve. Just so everyone is aware, I have my finger on the lock thread key, so I'm hoping cool heads prevail and we can continue seeking enlightenment!
Let's keep in mind, the name of this thread is referencing Homers definition of the Right Arm Swing. We are attempting to reconcile Mr. Tomasello's pattern(s) with it. Thus far, there doesn't appear to be a correlation, but we will present more evidence with a new video soon.
Thanks Guys,
Bagger
Bagger,
I bet you can image I'm holding back big time at this point...
Joe,
My suggestion at this point is for you to go back through the ENTIRE thread re-read each post....and see if you can come up with the answer...if that doesn't help, I would go through the ENTIRE Tomasello series (take the chapters in order) and see if that helps, if not, I would stop the pain by forgetting about the right arm swing...
Sorry for the confusion. Maybe the next Tomasello video (The May 1992 tape) will help...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 10-08-2005 at 05:47 PM.
...i think the point of mj's question is that the muscles of the right forearm can't act on the right forearm to produce the down plane motion that DG is describing...therefore some other body part's muscle(s) must do it, even if what DG senses are focusing on is the right forearm movement...from my pov it doesn't matter if one feels like the forearm moves the rest or the rest moves the forearm as long as the ball goes where one wants it to...cheers!
A while back I came across the pattern that was contained in one of the older versions for 4 barrel.
1 - A - Overlap
2 - B - Strong Single
3 - B - Pitch
4 - D - Four Barrel
5 - E - Closed Closed
6 - A - Elbow
7 - C - Double Shift
8 - A - Standard
9 - A - Standard
10 -D - Dual Horizontal
11 - D-1 -Four Point Combination
12 - A - Standard
13 - A - Standard
14 - A - Standard
15 - A - Standard
16 - A - Standard
17 - A - Standard
18 - A - Standard
19 - C - Drag Loading
20 - E - Wrist Throw
21 - C - End
22 - C - Snap
23 - D - Top Arc and Angled Line
24 - E - Automatic Snap
Difference between 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 in the most recent version are:
I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.
BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.
Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.
I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.
This Stroke Pattern was one of six in the third edition. It was labeled neither Hitting or Swinging, but instead, Maximum Participation (referring to the selected Stroke Component Variations).
I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.
BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.
Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.
Its too difficult for me...
I think that's why Homer called the Pattern you posted a "Sample Pattern" rather than a "Basic Pattern" as prescribed in the later editions.
A while back I came across the pattern that was contained in one of the older versions for 4 barrel.
1 - A - Overlap
2 - B - Strong Single
3 - B - Pitch
4 - D - Four Barrel
5 - E - Closed Closed
6 - A - Elbow
7 - C - Double Shift
8 - A - Standard
9 - A - Standard
10 -D - Dual Horizontal
11 - D-1 -Four Point Combination
12 - A - Standard
13 - A - Standard
14 - A - Standard
15 - A - Standard
16 - A - Standard
17 - A - Standard
18 - A - Standard
19 - C - Drag Loading
20 - E - Wrist Throw
21 - C - End
22 - C - Snap
23 - D - Top Arc and Angled Line
24 - E - Automatic Snap
Difference between 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 in the most recent version are:
I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.
BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.
Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.
Its too difficult for me...
The 4 barrel pattern from the 3rd edition is a SWINGING pattern. Standard Wrist Action, Horizontal Hinging, "End" assembly point, Wrist Throw, Drag Loading....
I would really like to see a 4 BARREL HITTING STROKE PATTERN.
Hybrid Mode
