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I understand your point lynn and how the none at all refers to a zeroed hip turn (which makes a perfect example), for the backstroke regardless of the delayed downstroke hip action, You were not talking about delayed hip action, but par 71 was, and it is he who posed the question in which u responded. I'm not making a mountain out of a mole hill, but I don't think par71s question was responded regarding the "or none at all" certainly if you were not talking about the delayed hip action (as he was) and instead talking about zero hip turn in the backstroke