In my Cuscowilla notes Lynn says ""Homer said number one reasons golfers don't improve is right hip doesn't clear in start up. Stack and tilt - their deal is left shoulder goes down. Start on hands plane and then go to elbow plane. This is very flat. He talked about the shoulder supporting hands on same plane. But is stack and tilt right shoulder does a different way. In TGM the idea is to put the right shoulder on plane. that plane is behind you not up high. In the backstroke the hands have been on the plane all the time, the shoulder is getting there, getting there. Now when the hands are right shoulder high both of then are joined together. Then you can take back further - that is fine. Then trace right down that base line. He showed a picture of Larry Nelson with his centered head at start down. There is a big element in the golf machine that says sit and tilt. Remember you put the shoulder on the plane and leave it there. When the weight goes left that tilts the spine. That allows you to leave it on the plane. It doesn't go back where it started from (address). That is flat shoulder turn 10-13-b. Establish head and hand position at fix then you come back to adjusted address. Now guess what? No bobbing required. He pointed out Larry Nelson picture - "that is all the tilt you need". Any mnore tilt than that will send you under plane. You see it everywhere - sit and tilt. NO! your shoulder was already on plane. Don't want to tilt under it. The proper move permits you to drive it at the ball - Destroy the ball with your right shoulder. So we have the shoulder turned back and that permits it to go at the ball rather than back to its address position. My notes of Lynn Blake October 2008 Cuscowilla