[HungryBear]

I see what you mean .......I do see something that looks like our Finish Swivel there. Love the swing on that old timer. Is that Ted Williams.....?

Im thinking there's still overtaking and rolling after impact but Rose and others seem to execute impact without any prior roll off the plane, Release Swivel in our terms. Their left hand is still palm down to their plane at impact. Like they were hitting the ball with the bottom of the golf shaft , (fore , aft, top , bottom). He's knuckles up, watch face pointing at the sky , if that was a golf club in his hands the face would pointing up at the sky too .........wouldnt it?

Take the 1-L Machine and cut the clubhead off the Lever. No hooked clubface , no Hinge Action, no angled plane often. Oh yeah thatd make it "an angular motion on a plane" , no hinge action , no angled plane......I think.

Jamie Sadlowski

10-2-D ???

The Bear