LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Yodas all time best posts Thread: Yodas all time best posts View Single Post #40 02-14-2011, 10:24 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 Originally Posted by mb6606 Can you explain why the hitter (and not the swinger) does not have to rotate the plane lines to curve the ball? Can't the swinger move the ball back or forward? I believe its Hitters and Hands Manipulated Swingers vs True Swingers in terms of Grip Rotation vs Plane Line Rotation for balls played back of low point. The True Swinger allows CF alone to align Face , Head and Shaft. So by definition, there is no Grip Rotation (squaring of the face) for balls played back in the stance (or back of the clubs unique "straight away position") per 7-2 and 6-H-0 E and F. We need some drawings here to make things easy (ish). Last edited by O.B.Left : 02-14-2011 at 10:34 PM. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left