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Old 12-27-2010, 11:57 AM
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My efforts at keeping the left wrist flat and extensor action combined with my intensity always made it difficult to swing without excessive tension. That as a result kept me from experiencing "throw out". I ended up with a corrupted CF swinging procedure with hitting and steering elements. Therefore I had trouble releasing and getting to a full finish. Greg believes the arms just hang and if he lifts your arms up at address and it pulls your thorax and head up he feels you have to much tension. I think that is a good concept. However extensor action is mentioned so often it is essential to a good procedure. For me I have to guard against to much EA and rigidity.
It is true that Extensor Action can be exaggerated into an immobilizing fault. However, that does not obviate its purpose; namely, to provide a "structural rigidity" that is a strong deterrent to collapse under the stresses created by a powerful golf stroke, especially at the Top and through Impact.

To achieve maximum Zone 2 Power, the Arms (and with them the Club) must swing freely from the Shoulders (and not be bound to and drug around by them). Also, the Wrists must remain flexible to perform their Release functions (Uncock and Roll). However, that does not mean that the Power Package Structure (which these Components and their Loading collectively comprise) should be "loose" or, worse yet, "flimsy". Or that the Hands should be robbed of the firm Grip necessary to control Clubface alignments.

Just as there are good and bad cholesterols, so are there good and bad tensions in the Golf Stroke. Differentiating the two distills the champion.

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Old 12-27-2010, 01:02 PM
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It is true that Extensor Action can be exaggerated into an immobilizing fault. However, that does not obviate its necessary purpose; namely, to provide a "structural rigidity" that is a strong deterrent to collapse under the stresses created by a powerful golf stroke, especially at the Top and through Impact.

To achieve maximum Zone 2 Power, the Arms (and with them the Club) must swing freely from the Shoulders (and not be bound to and drug around by them). Also, the Wrists must remain flexible to perform their Release functions (Uncock and Roll). However, that does not mean that the Power Package Structure (which these Components and their Loading collectively comprise) should be "loose" or, worse yet, "flimsy". Or that the Hands should be robbed of the firm Grip necessary to control Clubface alignments.

Just as there are good and bad cholesterols, so are there good and bad tensions in the Golf Stroke. Differentiating the two distills the champion.

It has never been made clear to me which tricept muscle('s) are active for EA.

Just as bicept curles can be performed pronate or supinate so and use DIFFERENT bicept muscle, A tricept push down can be done pronate or supinate and use DIFFERENT tricept muscle. One way creates no control but great tension the other creates "structure" and frees the wrists and power package from tension. Which does what and how is EA properly applied. This requires more description than "stretching" . HOW not WHAT.? I believe this is KEY.

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Old 12-27-2010, 07:19 PM
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It has never been made clear to me which tricept muscle('s) are active for EA.

Just as bicept curles can be performed pronate or supinate so and use DIFFERENT bicept muscle, A tricept push down can be done pronate or supinate and use DIFFERENT tricept muscle. One way creates no control but great tension the other creates "structure" and frees the wrists and power package from tension. Which does what and how is EA properly applied. This requires more description than "stretching" . HOW not WHAT.? I believe this is KEY.
Uh . . .

How about . . .

Stretch the left arm in the direction it is pointing?

That's what should be done, and it is what I do.

Is there a specific right triceps muscle that does this? If so, please spare me . . .

I don't want to know!

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Old 12-27-2010, 07:33 PM
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Lynn, how, if at all, does the amount of EA vary with club?
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It is true that Extensor Action can be exaggerated into an immobilizing fault. However, that does not obviate its purpose; namely, to provide a "structural rigidity" that is a strong deterrent to collapse under the stresses created by a powerful golf stroke, especially at the Top and through Impact.

To achieve maximum Zone 2 Power, the Arms (and with them the Club) must swing freely from the Shoulders (and not be bound to and drug around by them). Also, the Wrists must remain flexible to perform their Release functions (Uncock and Roll). However, that does not mean that the Power Package Structure (which these Components and their Loading collectively comprise) should be "loose" or, worse yet, "flimsy". Or that the Hands should be robbed of the firm Grip necessary to control Clubface alignments.

Just as there are good and bad cholesterols, so are there good and bad tensions in the Golf Stroke. Learning to differentiate between the two is one hallmark of a champion.

I would guess longer clubs need more EA, which could mean I am completely wrong.

Hey Bear. If we could take your mind for detail and share it with my "big-picture" perspectives, we could be insightful and entertaining most of the time.

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Old 12-27-2010, 09:23 PM
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I would guess longer clubs need more EA, which could mean I am completely wrong.
The Power Package (with its Extensor Action) is indifferent to the Club inserted into its Clamps.

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Old 12-27-2010, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Uh . . .

How about . . .

Stretch the left arm in the direction it is pointing?

That's what should be done, and it is what I do.

Is there a specific right triceps muscle that does this? If so, please spare me . . .

I don't want to know!

I just saw this answer.

Pardon me, I did not think there were any stupid questions. I was wrong. I will print this answer and paste it into the front cover of my book. This was an honest question. I will not say more.

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Old 12-27-2010, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post

I just saw this answer.

Pardon me, I did not think there were any stupid questions. I was wrong. I will print this answer and paste it into the front cover of my book. This was an honest question. I will not say more.
Bear,

I answered your question to the best of my ability and, yes, with a bit of humor. No 'smack' intended; just fun.



If you want to parse the triceps muscles, fly at it, and we'll let the thread go as it may.

No big deal.

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Old 12-27-2010, 10:36 PM
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It is true that Extensor Action can be exaggerated into an immobilizing fault. However, that does not obviate its purpose; namely, to provide a "structural rigidity" that is a strong deterrent to collapse under the stresses created by a powerful golf stroke, especially at the Top and through Impact.

To achieve maximum Zone 2 Power, the Arms (and with them the Club) must swing freely from the Shoulders (and not be bound to and drug around by them). Also, the Wrists must remain flexible to perform their Release functions (Uncock and Roll). However, that does not mean that the Power Package Structure (which these Components and their Loading collectively comprise) should be "loose" or, worse yet, "flimsy". Or that the Hands should be robbed of the firm Grip necessary to control Clubface alignments.

Just as there are good and bad cholesterols, so are there good and bad tensions in the Golf Stroke. Differentiating the two distills the champion.


Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.

Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen

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Old 12-28-2010, 01:39 AM
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I copied Lynn's text into my WORD doc.
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Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.

Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen
It is on page 123. When I run out of things to copy, I'll start asking short questions!


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Old 12-28-2010, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Oh my this strikes right to the heart of what I have learned from Lynn and Ted. I nominate this for immediate inclusion in the best of Lynn Blake.

Wow. I had my tensions backwards (don't wanna get into it) I could shoot in the sixties like that...... But now I am forever changed. I no longer play unless it's warmer than 70 degrees. But seriously now folks. ........ For those who have ears ....... Let them listen
The Power package has the same amount of EA for every club. Now, for a friendly question that I can imagine not being answered here or in print, anywhere.

My impression is that the amount of EA employed by Mr. Doyle, and McHatton etc., is less in theory than that employed by Mr. Blake. I mean to say that there is a theoretical, bio-mechanical reason why the two groups see EA in a different amount, if they do indeed see the amount of EA differently.

I'm also willing to suggest that both (or all 27) views of EA can prove their case and would simply say that the amount of EA is an individual's decision.

And I'm willing to be ignored on this completely.

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