[Daryl]

Each of these pictures clarly show the ball getting carried downward and to the right from impact to seperation.

That would mean the ball would get pinched between the turf and the face.

When an inclined striker does that from a solid strike, it will be a fantastic picture indeed.

I look forward to seeing it.

7-6...Even on hardpan, the Ball, normally is gone before the ground is touched.

John, Why do you frame your questions as "Challenges"? If you have something to say, simply speak up and say it. Maybe Bagger Lance will open a new discussion area titled "Challenge Forum". Anyone wanting to learn by asking "challenge questions" can post a question. Wasn't there a TV show that used "challenge questions"?

John: "I dare you to prove it to me".
Daryl: "I don't care".

That's not productive or positive dialogue.