Yes, you should set-up at the appropriate plane angle that you'll be coming back into at impact- but during full swings you'll see shifting planes during the swing.
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How much shifting? When . . big shift little shift?
How many fools come down the same plane they set up on? If you don't come down the same plane you set up on . . . when do you define what plane you IS on?
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Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
I think I answered it . . . to my satisfaction anyhow . . . ball knows if the club is on plane from impact to separation . . don't know squat about your shoulder or forearm . . .
Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
I answered the question.
Unfortunately, some of us (not Loren) are confused about the differences between Plane Angle, Plane Reference Points, Clubshaft Control, etc. I won't name anyone.
Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
Unless you do something really strange duruing a full swing- the right shoulder would be on plane during start down but obviously at release and impact it is no where near the plane.
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Unless you do something really strange duruing a full swing- the right shoulder would be on plane during start down but obviously at release and impact it is no where near the plane.
Where should the right shoulder be at impact and release?
I think I answered it . . . to my satisfaction anyhow . . . ball knows if the club is on plane from impact to separation . . don't know squat about your shoulder or forearm . . .
Thanks Stanker
I'm kind of surprised you're saying the ball wouldnt know the mechanical advantage or structure of the right forearm being on plane. More mass, more structure, more leverage, etc. Ill throw you a mulligan on that one if you want. I dont think you meant that the way im reading it, anyways.
If the right shoulder moves down the TSP in Startdown but it aint on the TSP at Impact........... has it shifted its plane of motion, (again)? Im not saying that it should be on the TSP at impact, but it is an interesting question from ndwolfe.
Unless you do something really strange duruing a full swing- the right shoulder would be on plane during start down but obviously at release and impact it is no where near the plane.
I agree with this, of course, even though I have no vapid knowledge of planes, reference points or clubshaft control, according to some.
I'm still kinda of lost, mainly because the photos in the amazing changes section. The plane is always the turned shoulder plane that people are on thoughout the downstroke and impact.
That makes me think that Ted and Lynn are trying to get students on that plane during downstroke, release point and impact. I would think they must feel this is the best choice. I spent 3 hours with Lynn a couple years ago but we didn't get to use the video system. If we would have been able to then I would prolly be much more clear about these planes.
I know tgm isn't one set way, but why would the plane in the amazing changes section always be the turned shoulder plane?
I want the plane that gives me most compression and is easiest for me to get a forward leaning clubshaft at impact.
Can you set up at impact fix with everything on plane? Yes.
There's the answer.
The left arm is not on plane (#3 accum) by definition.
The right forearm is, with a little bend left in the elbow. (Impact is to occur before maximum extension.)
The definition of the Flying Wedges.
If the right shoulder does not move down on plane, it must move somewhere else, which requires compensation.
ndwolfe is not moving the right shoulder down the plane angle. It could be the right hip is in the way.
Thanks Loren. I hate to belabour the point, but when you say "everything" I dont think you are including the right shoulder to which ndwolfe alludes. You are of course, correct in that the right shoulder should not be on the inclined plane at Fix. In Startdown perhaps, if you so choose. Its seems as if the Right Forearm and the Right Shoulder cant travel the inclined plane together if there is any elbow bend. They may take turns on it but not together.
You could I suppose get the right shoulder and the RFFW on the inclined plane at Fix but only with a perfectly straight right arm. A death move or should I say death alignment, unless you are putting maybe.
So I was looking at the Amazing Changes section. It looks like the line drawn is the turned shoulder plane.
So the question is this. Is the goal to get the hands clubshaft and the right shoulder to stay one this plane in the down stroke?
Assuming you are using the TSP, Axis Tilt etc, yes. The Right Shoulder accelerates and takes the intact fully loaded power package, bent right right arm down plane towards the ball with out any power spillage. Power is "accumulated", "stored" and "delivered" to the "release" point. For the right shoulder to accurately deliver the stored power it must travel down the inclined plane.
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Then at impact should the clubshaft, hands, right forearm, and right shoulder be on this plane?
NO. The right shoulder can not be on the same plane as the right forearm assuming any right elbow bend. The right forearm flying wedge should lay on the Inclined Plane through impact. The right elbow should be bent at impact saving some thrust (passive , swinging or active, hitting) for the ball. The boxer punches, extends his arm through the target with a bent elbow at impact and full extension past impact. The golfer does the same, bent right arm at impact , full extension at Follow Through, Both Arms Straight. "Having lots of right arm" left for the ball is a key to compression.
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