[12 piece bucket]

Bucket,
I agree these self proclaimed guys does everyone harm.

It's difficult to develop a grasp on biomechanics. There are so many factors to take into consideration.

Its the upper body slowing down and loading of the muscles in the upper body and arm relation which fires the arms.
When someone releases early is cause from the arms deceleration to early in the down swing.

club moves around the axis of the spine for some they do it naturally. Others they need assistance. They need geometry.
This is open to debate.
Some guys naturally get flat left wrist and other need assistance of some educated hands through pitching and chipping.

To be honest very debatable. Really if your have the right physics the geometry takes care of it's self in a perfect situation.

All golfers need to be taught good alignment first, setup,grip, stance and posture.
We heavily rely on coaches ensuring this is taken care of first.
What these self proclaimed biomechanist don't realise is the coach has taken care of this for you.

Another one they don't take into consideration is having the right equipment. This alone has huge effects on ball flight and movement patterns. You have to take equipment into consideration as well.

I always check with a coach if their client equipment is right.
Working with the coach we ensure their set up and grip etc is right. This won't effect movement patterns although will effect ball flight for sure.
Really we work off each other it's a team effort, we feed off each other to get the best results.

grip, posture, alignments don't effect movement patterns , this effects ball flight.
If you have good movement patterns and strong grip guess where the ball will go.
Although if you have good grip posture can line up to the target right, with good movement patterns
then you will hit the ball straight.

Poor movement patterns can effect geometry and ball flight. Although geometry won't effect your movement patterns. Geometry effects ball flight.

Most people who can't apply geometry has some form of movement patterns issues is why they can't apply geometry.

Honestly it's a team effort we feed off each other to get best results. Geometry and physics inter grade with each other. What's the point in having good physics if you can't grip the club properly or line up to the target. Ball won't go where you want it to go.

We work along side coaches not against them. We need each other.

I firmly believe you need geometry although what I'm saying we lack in golf is the understanding of physics and how to teach it.
And this is why I am here Bucket, to share my knowledge so we all develop a better understanding of physics and how we teach it.
I'm happy to share this with everyone so we can call learn to play this wonderful game better.

Thanks . . . . I think I'm understanding where you are coming from now. I agree with you that proper physics can to a large degree take care of the geometry. I guess my issue would be that biomechanics is applicable to more than just the pivot correct? How the arms move in space would also be encompassed by the biomechanics as well right? I'm a neophite for sure . . .

Question . . . what does club moves around the axis of the spine mean? I've seen this a few times in your posts. I'm not sure exactly what this means or looks like but am very interested to learn more. Is it easier to do this with more or less bend at the hips?

Thanks again!

B