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Old 07-27-2009, 10:04 AM
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
So the cloud followed you as usual . . . . . goat herders fear you . . . but not as much as soap and deoderant.

So you had some relevant posts?
Things are bad when Upp is turning on me! I only wrote "irrelevant posts" for those newbie members - obviously seasoned posters would think that I was repeating myself with irrelevant as an adjective to the noun "posts".

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:50 AM
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Is this what Homer meant by "divergent forces", Mike?
Yes, I'm on plane and Bucket is off plane - Divergent forces. Hizzle Wizzle Fo Shizzle!
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:36 AM
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Sure man . . . . if the TSP is a steeper plane stands to reason the hand path would be steeper no? So this is my submission . . . . you check most pros . . . the get on the elbow plane eventually . . . . question is why? Does physics have an answer?
The Right Elbow travels Down, Out and Forward.

An attempted Straight Line Delivery Path allows the Right Elbow to Clear the Right Hip, which is the Right Elbow Passing-by the Right Hip on its way to its Release Location (before the Shoulder are Square to the Baseline of the Inclined Plane). Only an On-Plane Downstroke Right Shoulder can Drive the Right Elbow past the Hip Front to a TSP Location for Release and Only if using a Rigid Power Package. Go to the Top of the Swing and aim the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball (with a fixed right elbow) and don't allow the pivot to disturb that alignment. Actually, the Right Hip Stays (Back) out of the Way of the Driving Right Forearm (Rigid Power Package). If you allow the Hips to move toward the Plane Line (Standing up) getting out of Posture, then typically a "Blocked" shot occurs.

Otherwise the Right Elbow will be Driven to in-front of the Right Hip (elbow plane - not clearing the Right Hip) for Release, because a pitched Elbow cannot travel any farther Forward On-Plane. This is normal for anyone who straightens the Right Elbow during the downswing before Release, because doing so stops the Right Elbow from being Driven farther Forward. It's a simple procedure. Go to the Top of the Swing and Rotate toward Impact and the Elbow will get stuck in-front of the Right Hip (Elbow Plane).

Use this simple test to see how far the Right Elbow can travel when the Right Hip Doesn't interfere. Address the Ball with your right foot about 15 inches directly behind your left foot. Using Short pitches, notice how far the right elbow will travel before Impact.

When the Left Arm, at the Top of the Swing, is Closer than about 45 degrees to the Chest, you'll probably end up on the Elbow Plane anyway.

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:23 PM
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Things are bad when Upp is turning on me! I only wrote "irrelevant posts" for those newbie members - obviously seasoned posters would think that I was repeating myself with irrelevant as an adjective to the noun "posts".

UPP yours,

"Ideas cannot be fought except by means of better ideas. The battle consists not of opposing but of exposing. Not of denouncing but of disproving. Not of evading but of boldy proclaiming a full, consistent and radical alternative"

"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary ........"

Movement is the integration of the past, present and future - memory is a tool for predicting the future

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Old 07-27-2009, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Sure man . . . . if the TSP is a steeper plane stands to reason the hand path would be steeper no? So this is my submission . . . . you check most pros . . . the get on the elbow plane eventually . . . . question is why? Does physics have an answer?
I see this, thanks, but from a DTL point of view only. Ill take some time to go over Daryls thoughts when Im next at the Lab. How the heck do you do smiley faces?

Physics or just structural engineering? The Right Arm Flying Wedge as structure. The arm not being on plane until the right elbow is etc. Have you ever tried that deal where you put your clubhead up against something solid and then just try to bend the shaft.........you very quickly adopt: perfect wedges, strong pp#3 and #1 and a left thumb running down the aft of the shaft and grip pressure and and....

Sorry NM, now that Mike O is back staying on topic is out of style again.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:22 PM
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The Right Elbow travels Down, Out and Forward.

An attempted Straight Line Delivery Path allows the Right Elbow to Clear the Right Hip, which is the Right Elbow Passing-by the Right Hip on its way to its Release Location (before the Shoulder are Square to the Baseline of the Inclined Plane). Only an On-Plane Downstroke Right Shoulder can Drive the Right Elbow past the Hip Front to a TSP Location for Release and Only if using a Rigid Power Package. Go to the Top of the Swing and aim the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball (with a fixed right elbow) and don't allow the pivot to disturb that alignment. Actually, the Right Hip Stays (Back) out of the Way of the Driving Right Forearm (Rigid Power Package). If you allow the Hips to move toward the Plane Line (Standing up) getting out of Posture, then typically a "Blocked" shot occurs.

Otherwise the Right Elbow will be Driven to in-front of the Right Hip (elbow plane - not clearing the Right Hip) for Release, because a pitched Elbow cannot travel any farther Forward On-Plane. This is normal for anyone who straightens the Right Elbow during the downswing before Release, because doing so stops the Right Elbow from being Driven farther Forward. It's a simple procedure. Go to the Top of the Swing and Rotate toward Impact and the Elbow will get stuck in-front of the Right Hip (Elbow Plane).

Use this simple test to see how far the Right Elbow can travel when the Right Hip Doesn't interfere. Address the Ball with your right foot about 15 inches directly behind your left foot. Using Short pitches, notice how far the right elbow will travel before Impact.

When the Left Arm, at the Top of the Swing, is Closer than about 45 degrees to the Chest, you'll probably end up on the Elbow Plane anyway.


I sense this is written not from your usual think tank, table 4123 at Spiaggia but from the range. Are you actually hitting balls again?

Wait, "Driving Right Forearm" ? And Pitch elbow? You sir are experimenting again. Non automatic snappish release, sequenced but with a right arm throw? Why You're Mad Doctor, insane. You're messing with Homers code, you're creating a monster.

Then again maybe you dont mean "actively" driving right forearm.

P.S. One more reason for a blocked shot........an arched left wrist which moves low point. Something I learned from Tiger. Also until my last visit with Lynn I thought that a cleared right hip (for start up and start down) was accomplished with a single move, a turn of the right hip. Wrongo. Clear it going back with a turn, clear it in startdown with a delayed turn, slide. Two moves but One Love. Axis Tilt and lag loading etc.

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Old 07-27-2009, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
I sense this is written not from your usual think tank, table 4123 at Spiaggia but from the range. Are you actually hitting balls again?

Wait, "Driving Right Forearm" ? And Pitch elbow? You sir are experimenting again. Non automatic snappish release, sequenced but with a right arm throw? Why You're Mad Doctor, insane. You're messing with Homers code, you're creating a monster.

Then again maybe you dont mean "actively" driving right forearm.

P.S. One more reason for a blocked shot........an arched left wrist which moves low point. Something I learned from Tiger. Also until my last visit with Lynn I thought that a cleared right hip (for start up and start down) was accomplished with a single move, a turn of the right hip. Wrongo. Clear it going back with a turn, clear it in startdown with a delayed turn, slide. Two moves but One Love. Axis Tilt and lag loading etc.

I've been going out once a week.

Driven Right Forearm.

I agree with the two-way Hip Clearing. That's what I mean. Lynn told you that? I'm glad to hear he got it right.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:33 PM
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Nope...
Pseudo-science.

Ya can't get hand path from video (or stills)

as they say...

If it was easy any trained monkey could do it.
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