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Old 07-26-2009, 12:14 PM
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Double D you are good. Birds eye vs straight on, the laws of motion not being unique to golf but universal.

But im still curious about Drewits comment about intent. Golfs false logic problem or whatever. Dont hit up? Steering a straight path? Here in lies the solution to golfs cause and effect puzzle.

All of this no doubt effects hand path to my mind. (Back on topic) Intent influencing hand path. The hands direct but only as the brains outpost.

Somewhat related to hand path is the notion that the right palm will not ride the inclined plane in release if not for the position of the right elbow. Pitch elbow say. Im also wondering if the Golden Spiral would be wider and less Golden if the accumulators released earlier.

So hand path isnt just a hand thing in and of itself. The hands, assuming they need a spiral path, need to command other components to comply. Hand path being somewhat resultant. Assuming a straight left arm if you want the spiral to tighten near impact, the left shoulder must move up. Homer said that all left shoulder movements should really be the result of right shoulder movement..............which means the right shoulder needs to drive down plane in release. You know where Im going. Put me in the all roads lead back to Homer camp if you must.

But the Golden Spiral I find fascinating having seen it at work for about twenty years now. There is something to it.

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Old 07-26-2009, 01:11 PM
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Old 07-26-2009, 01:19 PM
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Is this what Homer meant by "divergent forces", Mike?

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Old 07-26-2009, 01:55 PM
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All of this no doubt effects hand path to my mind. (Back on topic) Intent influencing hand path. The hands direct but only as the brains outpost.

Somewhat related to hand path is the notion that the right palm will not ride the inclined plane in release if not for the position of the right elbow. Pitch elbow say. Im also wondering if the Golden Spiral would be wider and less Golden if the accumulators released earlier.

So hand path isnt just a hand thing in and of itself. The hands, assuming they need a spiral path, need to command other components to comply. Hand path being somewhat resultant. Assuming a straight left arm if you want the spiral to tighten near impact, the left shoulder must move up. Homer said that all left shoulder movements should really be the result of right shoulder movement..............which means the right shoulder needs to drive down plane in release. You know where Im going. Put me in the all roads lead back to Homer camp if you must.

But the Golden Spiral I find fascinating having seen it at work for about twenty years now. There is something to it.
Consider Jason Z (Fake). 340 yard Drive. Hand Path. What makes the Hands Travel Down that Path? Zone 1 and Zone 2.

JZ hits the Ball far. Is the Hands path causing a problem with his distance. NO WAY.

This is a link to the Video.





Fake Jason Z.

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Old 07-26-2009, 02:50 PM
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Interesting plotting there D. But can it be laid over the Golden Spiral graph? Im not sure if they are apples to apples. Not sure how they measure or designate their center. Maybe. But your point is a good one regardless. From many zones, one hand path.

Im also wondering about plane shifts. Take the Golden Spiral and look at it from a down the line view say. Would the spiral be seen to travel a flatter plane angles as it gets closer to impact? Like a funnel cloud or water going down a drain. So the hand path would be approaching the center (what ever that is) and flattening out at the same time to a degree consistent with the plane angle or shift. Elbow plane for some types. Moe wouldnt have much of a shift though. The more the shift the more conical the spiral.

PS dont think that is Jason Zubak. But who ever it is he is LONG. Why do you say the TSP will steepen the hand path? Do you assume axis tilt?

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Old 07-26-2009, 02:59 PM
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This is the "Real" Jason Zuback in the "Fastest Balls on Earth Video"..


His Hand Path doesn't coincide with The Golden Spiral but it does match the Hacker Hand Path pretty well.


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Old 07-26-2009, 03:02 PM
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Im also wondering about plane shifts. Take the Golden Spiral and look at it from a down the line view say. Would the spiral be seen to travel a flatter plane angles as it gets closer to impact? Like a funnel cloud or water going down a drain. So the hand path would be approaching the center (what ever that is) and flattening out at the same time to a degree consistent with the plane angle or shift. Elbow plane for some types. Moe wouldnt have much of a shift though. The more the shift the more conical the spiral.

PS dont think that is Jason Zubak. But who ever it is he is LONG.
??? the Video says Jason Zuback. I don't know. He doesn't look like JZ. BUT, the next video, Jason ZUBACK "Fastest BAllS on Earth" is Jason Zuback. I've outlined his Hand path.

One thing that almost all of the world long drive hitters have in common is NO PLANE SHIFT on the Downstroke.

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Old 07-26-2009, 03:32 PM
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Moe Norman. His Hand Path looks like a STRAIGHT LINE between two arcs to me. Different from the Golden Spiral.


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Thank you Upp - How's the weather in Ohio? 90 days of sunshine in Seattle, 90 days of rain in Maine - where's that leave you?

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Interesting plotting there D. But can it be laid over the Golden Spiral graph? Im not sure if they are apples to apples. Not sure how they measure or designate their center. Maybe. But your point is a good one regardless. From many zones, one hand path.

Im also wondering about plane shifts. Take the Golden Spiral and look at it from a down the line view say. Would the spiral be seen to travel a flatter plane angles as it gets closer to impact? Like a funnel cloud or water going down a drain. So the hand path would be approaching the center (what ever that is) and flattening out at the same time to a degree consistent with the plane angle or shift. Elbow plane for some types. Moe wouldnt have much of a shift though. The more the shift the more conical the spiral.

PS dont think that is Jason Zubak. But who ever it is he is LONG. Why do you say the TSP will steepen the hand path? Do you assume axis tilt?

Sure man . . . . if the TSP is a steeper plane stands to reason the hand path would be steeper no? So this is my submission . . . . you check most pros . . . the get on the elbow plane eventually . . . . question is why? Does physics have an answer?
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