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OK, That didn't help me. But I think this could be a good discussion so I want to pursue it. If I could take one item at a time- then regarding item #2 - Quoted: "For (2), again, I believe the body movement is the result/"effect" of (or reaction to) the intention (or the "cause"). In other words, there is an intention behind every concious body movement."

I absolutely agree with what you said in item #2, but it didn't help me understand your orginal post. My question to you regarding #2 is - What is the intention behind the golf swing movement?

Actually, upon re-reading your second post (#21), I see you're making the distinction that what your intention is and what's happening in the movement are two different things- A very important distinction in movement theory- so I'm with you 100% with that. But that's where I wanted you to clarify your post#15 in this thread. Say to specifically #1 in that post- what are you saying is happening and what are you saying is the intention, in regards to the golf swing. And staying on that thought- in regards to #1 in post #21, how do you see the forces flowing/working, in that regard. And, again I wasn't sure if your post#15 was supporting my previous post, or if you had a different perspective.

Mike O, I appreciate your (and others) interests in this topic, as you always does in anything relate to this game, and apologize for not making it clear enough. I'll try it harder this time.

OK, "What is the intention behind the golf swing movement?"

There is an ultimate one I call "hands intention", the intention of "how you would like the HANDs to be moved" or what you would like to do to the HANDs", since they are where the club to be connected and controlled. This probably relates the most to what Homer writes in 5-0 "MONITORING".

With the club in the HANDs, the BODY will respond or react to that specific
"intention/thought/command" (or the "input") and display a corresponding pattern of movements (or the "output"), and so does the CLUB. It seems that's how it is supposed to work. The swing will be in a good shape, if the right"commond" has been executed currectly.

Of course, there could be other "intention(s)" behind the golf swing movement, which include:

"body intention"-"how you would like the BODY(parts) (other than the hands) to behave" or what you would like to do to the BODY(parts)",

"club intention"-"how you would like the CLUB to be moved" or what you would like to do to the CLUB",

"ball impact intention"-"how you would like the BALL to be hit/struck/impacted" or what you would like to do to the BALL"

"ball flight intention"-"how you would like the ball flight to be",

"target intention"-"where would you like the ball to land",

"hazard intention"-"how would you like the ball to get away from the hazards",

"score intention", "hole/money intention", "win or loss intention", "title intention", "ego intention", ...... and anything other than that "hands intention".

The most common example is "to hit it HIGH, FAR and STRAIGHT" and
the corresponding body movements usually are "pivot tilt away from the target and behind ball, forced casting arms and hands scooping",
the clubhead movement becomes "sharp downward, decelerating and outside-in toward impact",
the ball flight is "weak slice", and
the result is "missing the target", a typical victim of the "ball flight intention" being gotten in the way of the "swing intention", or should I say the "hands intention", for the majority of "instinctive" golfers. Or, people simply swing the way they want the ball (instead of the hands) to behave.

For others, see 3-F-7 "SNARE".

So, I believe, learn/fix the golf swing by learning/fixing the "command". Play the shot by executing, again, THE "command", regardless of the situation. A "machine" works according to the "program/command" only. So, what exactly is THE "command"? Whatever that works.

"Say to specifically #1 in that post- what are you saying is happening and what are you saying is the intention, in regards to the golf swing. And staying on that thought- in regards to #1 in post #21, how do you see the forces flowing/working, in that regard."

The "intention" (or input) is (supposed to be) "sustain the lag (toward somewhere with the hands)", and "what is happening" (or the output)is "the leading slight bump and turn of the lower body". Or, you only want to do something to (or the club with) the hands, yet the lower body (beginning with the feet) moves/responds first (while the command is being executed).

People generally expect or feel the part, upon which is intended to be operated, to move the first. It may not be the case, depending on the "converting process" (between the "input" and "output") of the action. It seems that your post work on that "converting process" in more detail and sounds quite reasonable.

I just tried to get my point out and provide my explanation why this is happening. Again, it seems that the body applies a force to the ground and receive a reactive/counter force from it through the feet. The arms and hands cann't actually move until that force reaching upward to the shoulders.

It seems to me that the concern of the body parts other than the hands during the swing is optional. It also seems that the mind can only work on one thing at a time. So, you are actually no longer "moving the hands", while working on "bumping and turning the pivot".

Also, I'm not sure if the feet has something to do with the "Swing Radius" (which I define "the line between the clubhead sweetspot to the base of the neck"), rather than the "power generator/accumulator/deliverer".

Again, I appreciate the attention and feedback. BTW, Happy Chinese New Year!