[wally888]

Maybe we should make sure we are all on the same page.

Downstroke Blackout - as I understand it - is the loss of clubhead feel, which in turn, results in every abnormality of the golf stroke imaginable and then some - but in particulary, loss of a sense of where the clubhead is.

What you should be concentrating on is gaining clubhead feel. Now, whether it is via a specific pressure point or just an overall sense in your hands is up to you. Feeling the sweetspot is feeling the clubhead. When you throw a ball, you are throwing the center of gravity - the same applies with golf.

Shorten the stroke, slow the stroke or delay the release until you can feel positive clubhead lag pressure. See 3-F-6 for more. And of course, always outward, downward, downward, downward, and forward.

Just a few thoughts.

Patrick

Perhaps this is my first post trying to bridge the gap between conventional golf instruction and TGM. I could write a 600 page book relating my experiences while receiving instruction from Golf Pros not versed in TGM. I won't, too boring, but may write a chronological history covering almost 50 years of searching for the Secret by seeking out numerous teachers and trying to dig it out of the dirt. Typical, I suspect, for almost all, 95% or more, of golfers trying to develop a good , repeating swing. (getting it from the range to the course!)

Nothing that follows is meant to be critical nor is anything directed at any particular poster in the thread. I just find, the more I read in this thread, the more I become confused.

Patrick has almost helped the thread make some sense, "on the same page" but I still don't think the original poster has operationally defined his problem, resulting in replies all over the spectrum, guessing, providing answers that may in fact be perfect for another problem, reminds me of the GD Forum which, thank goodness, I no longer visit.

That being said I will offer my solution to the undefined problem! I think I detect two clues in the original post that may offer a solution, or at least clear some fog re. exactly what is the problem, "fast' and "PP # 3".

My understanding of PP #3, it's use, etc., is, no matter how you place your right hand on the club, you will have a point someplace that becomes PP #3, PP #3 is passive, PP #3 is to be monitored not used to minipulate anything. Everyone has a PP #3, even if not aware of it.

I would think if anyone over concentrated on PP#3 it might cause a loss of PP#1? The reason for the "fast?" Perhaps the original poster should remove a little concentration from PP #3 to PP #1? Monitor PP #1?

Or, as in my case over the years, I am a swinger, always have been, never understood before exposure to TGM, my swing went to hexx when I tried to be a hitter w/o knowing how to be a hitter.

Or, the same thing happened when I, for some unknown reason, used "pivot controlled hands" instead of my normal "hands controlled pivot."

Always called this"puffing up in the backswing" = trying to get more shoulder turn by consciously turning shoulders.

Guess I'll spend the rest of the day trying to figure out why I made this post!