All things being equal in "standard "golf swing,if one chooses angle hinging can the resulting ball travel be draw or fade.
I suppose the real question is ,can you draw the ball with angle hinging.......thanks in advance
D, I love your drawings but I dont think that is quite right. Like all things Homer its a confusing bit of business .......so it could very well be that Im in the wrong.
To decipher 7-2 I believe one needs to understand Homers definition of a True Swinger. Tell me how I'm doing here:
CF alone aligns the clubface which to Homer meant (amongst other things) that as the ball is moved back in the stance the grip is not "Rotated". See 6-H-0 IMPERATIVES E and F points #3. E Being Hitting and F ( True) Swinging.
What does this mean to impact geometry? Given that the True Swinger doesnt Rotate hIs grip as he moves the ball back in his stance his clubhead moves back and the face opens accordingly. To compensate for this open face he Rotates his Plane Line to the left to square the face to the target but in so doing creates a divergence in Path and Face which if given enough speed, not too much loft etc will tend to produce a fade.
The Manipulated Hands Swinger or the Hitter on the other hand will (amongst other things, Hinge Action for instance) Rotate the Grip for balls played back so as to square the face to the target. As the ball moves back along the inside/out Arc of Approach there is also divergence this time tending towards a draw.
It had me stumped for a while but I think got this one particular riddle figured out......maybe.
You know Homer had it all figured out but the way he explained things was not his strongest suit it would seem. But, that said, if you ever try to rework his writings .......you fall flat on your face. It aint nearly as easy at it seems. I wish he'd done more drawings, like yours for instance, D.
When BerntR and Bear finish with their time machine (they're getting really close they tell me) we'll have to send you back to Homers lab so you can help him out with some drawings for his book. Man he'd loved that opportunity I bet.
Your interpretation-explanation, and my drawings - match. If you don't think so, then please explain.
Is this drawing easier to understand?
Daryl, I find this drawing easier to understand.
I am having difficulty relating the bottom picture (above) to step 3 picture in your previous post. In the bottom picture above, the clubshaft and face are in line. Whereas, in the step 3 picture, there is a distinct angle between the clubshaft (green line) and the clubface (black line). The distinct angle appears to me to be the result of rotating the grip. Sounds similar to what OB was commenting on.
I am having difficulty relating the bottom picture (above) to step 3 picture in your previous post. In the bottom picture above, the clubshaft and face are in line. Whereas, in the step 3 picture, there is a distinct angle between the clubshaft (green line) and the clubface (black line). The distinct angle appears to me to be the result of rotating the grip. Sounds similar to what OB was commenting on.
Did I mis-interpret your original drawings?
I think that the original Drawings were bad drawings. They were hurried and although I thought they conveyed the book, and my interpretation, I no longer thing so. I messed up the shaft and clubface as you pointed out. I think that I should use "Hook-face" only when illustrating a rotated grip. I didn't have the shaft aligned correctly in the original drawings.
Whats interesting to me is how many golfers maintain a swing which keeps the baseline the same as the ball target line? I don't think many do, I think it moves around based on other components of the swing. Now it may be very consistent from swing to swing thus they can predict the ball flight, but to think they can line up and swing it on a plane line square to the stance line....not so sure.
Yoda said he witnessed Hogan with a closed stance line but traced a baseline left of the ball target line and hit a fade, time after time. I wonder how good he would have been trying to hit a square square shot? Maybe not good at all?
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