Would appreciate clarification on the two approach procedures "Angle of Approach" vs "Arc of Approach" and how to execute them from a swinger's perspective. My understanding:
"Angle of Approach" is the "alternate target line" method, recommended for hitters because it is more compatible with the push/punch action of the right arm powered stroke.
"Arc of Approach" is the "target line tracing" method, recommended for swingers because it is more compatible with the horizontal hinging/rolling action through impact of the swinger.
However, in the Tommy Tomasello videos, there is strong emphasis on "swinging toward right field", which sounds like an "alternate delivery line" method while swinging. I also saw in several videos where Lynn seemed to be using them as interchangable options regardless of stroke type.
Are they really interchangeable? What are the benefits/drawbacks of the two approaches for a swinging stroke?
Would appreciate clarification on the two approach procedures "Angle of Approach" vs "Arc of Approach" and how to execute them from a swinger's perspective. My understanding:
"Angle of Approach" is the "alternate target line" method, recommended for hitters because it is more compatible with the push/punch action of the right arm powered stroke.
"Arc of Approach" is the "target line tracing" method, recommended for swingers because it is more compatible with the horizontal hinging/rolling action through impact of the swinger.
However, in the Tommy Tomasello videos, there is strong emphasis on "swinging toward right field", which sounds like an "alternate delivery line" method while swinging. I also saw in several videos where Lynn seemed to be using them as interchangable options regardless of stroke type.
Are they really interchangeable? What are the benefits/drawbacks of the two approaches for a swinging stroke?
Stevem,
Your post is evidence of a true understanding of TGM principles coming together. Congratulations!
To your question:
Even for Swingers using the Arc of Approach procedure (best accomplished via On-Line Plane Line Tracing), the Hands' Delivery Path Thrust is Cross-Line, i.e., Down Plane along the Angle of Attack (or the golfer's Visual Equivalent, the 'on the ground' Angle of Approach).
Study Power Package Delivery Path (7-23) and the Right Forearm's Alternate Target Line (7-2-3) as established at Impact Fix.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Yoda. I picked up a lot from studying 7-3, 2-J-3, and 10-19-A/C in more detail.
For either hitting or swinging, during the downswing, the right forearm needs to do two things: (1) get on plane, and (2) trace a straight delivery line. How the forearm gets on plane, and which line it traces, is different for hitting and swinging procedures. I now understand that delivery paths guide the hands, while delivery lines are either traced by the right forearm, or covered by the clubhead.
When hitting, the right elbow wants to get into a "trailing" position relative to the hands (push basic stroke position) and the forearm will push directly down the inclined plane, tracing the delivery line of the 10-5-E closed plane line. Assuming that ball contact is made prior to low point, a hitting motion will always have a cross line delivery, because the delivery line is formed by the chord connecting low point and impact.
When swinging, the right elbow wants to get into a "leading" position relative to the hands (pitch basic stroke position) supporting the swingers centered angular pulling motion. The right forearm will also trace out the delivery line which in this case will correspond to the target line. The arc of approach is the visual equivalent of the club head path on the ground and is the same as tracing the target line or 10-5-A plane line.
So now, finally, I think I can answer my own question and it is embarrassingly simple: if you are swinging you shouldn’t use the angle of approach procedure because you can’t “pull away from the center” you can only “pull towards the center”. When you use the arc of approach you are “pulling towards the center” and when you use the angle of approach you are “pushing away from center”.
PS. I guess anyone who says “swing towards right field” should really be saying “hit towards right field”…
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Yoda. I picked up a lot from studying 7-3, 2-J-3, and 10-19-A/C in more detail.
For either hitting or swinging, during the downswing, the right forearm needs to do two things: (1) get on plane, and (2) trace a straight delivery line. How the forearm gets on plane, and which line it traces, is different for hitting and swinging procedures. I now understand that delivery paths guide the hands, while delivery lines are either traced by the right forearm, or covered by the clubhead.
When hitting, the right elbow wants to get into a "trailing" position relative to the hands (push basic stroke position) and the forearm will push directly down the inclined plane, tracing the delivery line of the 10-5-E closed plane line. Assuming that ball contact is made prior to low point, a hitting motion will always have a cross line delivery, because the delivery line is formed by the chord connecting low point and impact.
When swinging, the right elbow wants to get into a "leading" position relative to the hands (pitch basic stroke position) supporting the swingers centered angular pulling motion. The right forearm will also trace out the delivery line which in this case will correspond to the target line. The arc of approach is the visual equivalent of the club head path on the ground and is the same as tracing the target line or 10-5-A plane line.
So now, finally, I think I can answer my own question and it is embarrassingly simple: if you are swinging you shouldn’t use the angle of approach procedure because you can’t “pull away from the center” you can only “pull towards the center”. When you use the arc of approach you are “pulling towards the center” and when you use the angle of approach you are “pushing away from center”.
PS. I guess anyone who says “swing towards right field” should really be saying “hit towards right field”…
I want to offer several points of clarification regarding the points you've made. Unfortunately, I won't be able to get to it until this evening. Meanwhile, for others less constrained, have at it!
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