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Old 11-22-2008, 06:36 PM
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Aiming point for a swinger
A hitter aims the thrust somewhere on the planeline but how do we swingers use the aiming point concept?

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Old 11-22-2008, 08:23 PM
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Aiming Point Technique For Hitters and Swingers
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A hitter aims the thrust somewhere on the planeline but how do we swingers use the aiming point concept?
Both Hitters and Swingers must Aim the Thrust of the Stroke (6-E-2). Normally, that Aiming Point is the Ball (which assumes it is located correctly for the Club in hand). Otherwise, the Aiming Point is either behind or in front of the Ball, depending primarily on Shaft length. And the point that is Aimed is the #3 Pressure Point (the first joint of the right forefinger).

Fundamentally, the Hitter's Right Arm Muscle Power supplies an Active Thrust of that Point to Drive the Golf Club via the Left Wristcock. In contrast, the Swinger's Momentum Transfer Centrifugal Power renders the Right Arm Passive (except for Extensor Action and Lag Pressure) and with it, also the #3 Pressure Point as it actuates the Left Wrist Roll. Study 10-11-0-3.

Bottom line: The Aiming Point Technique for Hitters involves both Aiming and Thrust of the #3 Lag Pressure Point. For Swingers, it is Aiming only. Study 6-C-2-A.

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Old 11-22-2008, 08:44 PM
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I think that a swinger can use the aiming point concept to affect the club release point (release of PA#2).

If one aims the hands at a point behind the ball, then it induces a more circular shape to the upper half of the U-shaped hand arc and a sweep release (because the force inducing release is operant at every moment the hands move in a circular arc direction). By contrast, if one aims the hands ahead of the ball it induces a more straight line shape to the the upper half of the U-shaped hand arc and a straight line hand grip pull (in-line with the longitudinal axis of the clubshaft) doesn't induce an early release. However, the hands have to suddenly change direction after the hands reach right thigh level and this induces a late release.

I think that this aiming point concept affects the release because the force inducing club release is dependent on i) the degree of change in direction of the hands as they move down the hand arc and ii) the change in hand speed at the exact moment that the hands change their directional movement and thereby the direction of the grip-pulling force. The force inducing a release (which some people label a centrifugal force) will be greatest if the hands suddenly change direction from a straight line path to a circular-shaped hand arc with a small radius and if the hand speed at that exact moment is at its maximal value.

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Old 11-22-2008, 09:07 PM
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At the Pulley Wheel -- Active or Passive?
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I think that a swinger can use the aiming point concept to affect the club release point (release of PA#2).
That is the whole idea behind the straight-line Endless Belt Effect (2-K #6). Hands at Top (Right Shoulder High and On Plane) and at Release (variable) are the two pulleys. [Power Point graphics for my presentation at the PGA of Sweden's Coaching and Teaching Summit are available on this site.]

The Swinger, via the Pivot, pulls the butt end of the Club with the #2 Pressure Point (last three fingers of the left hand) directly toward the Plane Line. The exact point at which the left hand pulls changes every split second due to the circular nature of the Hands' true Delivery Path. This as opposed to the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Thrust (as defined by the #3 Pressure Point - Ball relationship).

The Hitter's Active Pressure Point #3 drives the Left Wrist Uncock at the Pulley Wheel Encounter.

The Swinger's Passive Pressure Point #2 allows Centrifugal Force to do the same thing.
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:16 PM
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The Swinger, via the Pivot, pulls the butt end of the Club with the #2 Pressure Point (last three fingers of the left hand) directly toward the Plane Line. The exact point at which the left hand pulls changes every split second due to the circular nature of the Hands' true Delivery Path. This as opposed to the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Thrust (as defined by the #3 Pressure Point - Ball relationship).

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And the point that is Aimed is the #3 Pressure Point (the first joint of the right forefinger).
When does the change from monitoring pp2 to pp3 occur?
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:50 PM
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When does the change from monitoring pp2 to pp3 occur?
From the Top . . .

Just Pull.

That was Homer Kelley's advice to me in January 1982, and it is my advice to you now.

Remember, at the Backstroke's End (10-21-C) and with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point has now Loaded onto the Top of the Shaft (10-11-0-3 / 10-2-A). It will not revert onto the Back of the Shaft -- if then ( 10-2-B) -- until the last split second of Impact. And by the time you Feel this, the Ball will be many yards down the Fairway.

Let Centrifugal Reaction (6-N-0) take care of the rest. Centrifugal Force wants the correct orbiting of the Sweetspot to take place. It wants to align the Club Face, Head and Shaft for Impact. But, we override Nature's Own through our Steering, Quitting, Bobbing and Swaying (the Four Snares 3-F-7-A/D).

Train diligently in the Twelve Sections of the Stroke (Chapter Eight and the Mechancial Checklist of All Strokes / 12-3). Do your best to ingrain the precision alignments that exist only in The Golfing Machine. But somewhere in here, folks . . .

You've got to "turn it loose and trust it" (1-L).

Accept your present level of skill . . .

And enjoy the Game.

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Old 11-23-2008, 05:38 AM
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Both Hitters and Swingers must Aim the Thrust of the Stroke (6-E-2). Normally, that Aiming Point is the Ball (which assumes it is located correctly for the Club in hand). Otherwise, the Aiming Point is either behind or in front of the Ball, depending primarily on Shaft length. And the point that is Aimed is the #3 Pressure Point (the first joint of the right forefinger).

Fundamentally, the Hitter's Right Arm Muscle Power supplies an Active Thrust of that Point to Drive the Golf Club via the Left Wristcock. In contrast, the Swinger's Momentum Transfer Centrifugal Power renders the Right Arm Passive (except for Extensor Action and Lag Pressure) and with it, also the #3 Pressure Point as it actuates the Left Wrist Roll. Study 10-11-0-3.

Bottom line: The Aiming Point Technique for Hitters involves both Aiming and Thrust of the #3 Lag Pressure Point. For Swingers, it is Aiming only. Study 6-C-2-A.



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Old 11-23-2008, 11:58 AM
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Yoda - you wrote-: "The Swinger, via the Pivot, pulls the butt end of the Club with the #2 Pressure Point (last three fingers of the left hand) directly toward the Plane Line. The exact point at which the left hand pulls changes every split second due to the circular nature of the Hands' true Delivery Path. This as opposed to the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Thrust (as defined by the #3 Pressure Point - Ball relationship)."

You seem to be implying that the hand arc of a swinger will be circular while a hitter's hand arc will not be circular (due to the straight line thrust of PP#3 towards the aiming point).

However, it would seem to me that swinger's and hitter's hand arc path will be equally circular if they use the same aiming point - because they are both aiming their PP#3 at the same aiming point. The only difference is the fact that the hitter is driving PP#3 as well as aiming PP#3. However, the straight line driving thrust of PP#3 doesn't make the hands actually move in a straight line direction because the hands are merely the peripheral end of the left arm which is suspended from the left shoulder socket, which means that the left hand must move in a circular manner. However, the actual hand arc path is not perfectly circular because the left shoulder socket is moving in space during the downswing giving the hand arc a more elliptical/U-shaped shape.

Here is the hand arc of Sergio Garcia's swing - which I believe is 10-23-B (but can look like 10-23-A from a frontal view)



Here is the handarc of my friend Scott who is a hitter.



I think that their handarcs look very similar because they are both being subjected to the straight line aiming point technique.

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Old 11-23-2008, 11:29 PM
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Yoda - you wrote-: "The Swinger, via the Pivot, pulls the butt end of the Club with the #2 Pressure Point (last three fingers of the left hand) directly toward the Plane Line. The exact point at which the left hand pulls changes every split second due to the circular nature of the Hands' true Delivery Path. This as opposed to the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Thrust (as defined by the #3 Pressure Point - Ball relationship)."

You seem to be implying that the hand arc of a swinger will be circular while a hitter's hand arc will not be circular (due to the straight line thrust of PP#3 towards the aiming point).

However, it would seem to me that swinger's and hitter's hand arc path will be equally circular if they use the same aiming point - because they are both aiming their PP#3 at the same aiming point. The only difference is the fact that the hitter is driving PP#3 as well as aiming PP#3. However, the straight line driving thrust of PP#3 doesn't make the hands actually move in a straight line direction because the hands are merely the peripheral end of the left arm which is suspended from the left shoulder socket, which means that the left hand must move in a circular manner. However, the actual hand arc path is not perfectly circular because the left shoulder socket is moving in space during the downswing giving the hand arc a more elliptical/U-shaped shape.

Here is the hand arc of Sergio Garcia's swing - which I believe is 10-23-B (but can look like 10-23-A from a frontal view)



Here is the handarc of my friend Scott who is a hitter.



I think that their handarcs look very similar because they are both being subjected to the straight line aiming point technique.

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Old 11-24-2008, 04:28 PM
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From the Top . . .

Just Pull.

That was Homer Kelley's advice to me in January 1982, and it is my advice to you now.

Pull it is - if the left arm is almost useless in the stroke then I assume we must pull with the right side and arm?
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