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Old 08-01-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post

I have a lot of swing to my hitting procedure. Lynn and Ted taught me the procedure . Starting with a lagging takeaway a rotated pressure point and drag loading. Just like they do it.
7-19 ....The loading procedure determines the physics.......


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Old 08-01-2012, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bumpy View Post
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:01 PM
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Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.
Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
MJ,

Think that through, use a club, and try again. Be a sport and upload the video of it.

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Old 08-01-2012, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
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That is a nice swing for any age. Hope I can still move like that when I'm 60+ years old.

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Old 08-01-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumpy View Post
MJ,

Think that through, use a club, and try again. Be a sport and upload the video of it.

Better yet Bump, try hard to pay attention starting at 1:05. Now use a club and go to the Top and fire the right triceps, letting go with the right hand, and see how far the ball goes from all that CF. If you have trouble doing this, try again. Be a sport and upload a video.

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Better yet Bump, try hard to pay attention starting at 1:05. Now use a club and go to the Top and fire the right triceps, letting go with the right hand, and see how far the ball goes from all that CF. If you have trouble doing this, try again. Be a sport and upload a video.

Really thought that through didn't you. Thanks for proving my point. Instead of wasting time throwing feces all day, try to figure a way out.

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:34 PM
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here we go again.
Originally Posted by Bumpy View Post
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Here's the rest of it.

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7-19 LAG LOADING This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6-C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). Study 6-H-0, 7-3 and 7-20.
He said "determines the physics of both hitting" and swinging he didn't say defines the difference between the two! Hitting is pushing and swinging is pulling thats the basic definition. If you could drive load right, arm throw and get your right elbow in front of the hands you'd be pulling the power package, swinging. You can push the door closed or pull the door closed.... its dependent upon which side of the door is your elbow on.

I am in complete agreement in that you must Load the Lag Pressure Point that you will employ in the Throw. Absolutely. Don't mix em up and compensate on the way down. And that the physics of the throw out action changes with the location of the lag pressure point. Of which there is a range of about 90 degrees on the handle top to aft, or depending on what part of the right forefinger attaches , from under the first knuckle at the base of the right index finger to the first joint on the forefinger. (rotated to non rotated lag pressure point).

Drag Loading classically employs the Rotated Lag Pressure Point which goes best with a Wrist Throw, Sequenced Release. Drive classically , the first joint on the index finger (non rotated) Lag Pressure Point which goes best with a Right ARm Throw , Simu Release, thrust agains the #1pp on the aft of the shaft. But should the Right Elbow for the Hitter becomes more Pitchy (move closer to the other side of the door as the arm motion becomes more like a throwing motion rather than an inline push) the location of the Lag Pressure Point changes as does the physics of his Release.

The Hitter who loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point during Drag Loading needs to rotate it back prior to Release assuming he's going to thrust against the #1 on the aft of the shaft. Homer didn't like this method but it exists in the wild and on TV.
As such you will see most TGM instructors stick to Drive Loading vs Drag Loading , Hitting vs Swinging in their videos . But there is Drag Loading Hitting believe me.

Think of 12-1 and 12-2 as starting places , maybe places to stay even . But places with unique identities . Best to start there , master them before moving on. And so Drive is associated with Hitting . An extreme along the spectrum . But it doesn't define Hitting!!!!!!
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Yes, but there is no rotation in Hitting, and so no Throwout, only Driveout. The right triceps hits off a braced high right shoulder, which doesn't spin and so doesn't move the left shoulder enough to create rotation. No CF in Hitting.
One is still pushing the left arm on a circle, and then there's the wrist uncocking, so there's still plenty of rotation of the club head so some CF. Does it matter in practice for Hitting, I don't know. As O.B. said one tries to mainly overpower it with muscular force.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Here's the rest of it.



He said "determines the physics of both hitting" and swinging he didn't say defines the difference between the two! Hitting is pushing and swinging is pulling thats the basic definition. If you could drive load right, arm throw and get your right elbow in front of the hands you'd be pulling the power package, swinging. You can push the door closed or pull the door closed.... its dependent upon which side of the door is your elbow on.

I am in complete agreement in that you must Load the Lag Pressure Point that you will employ in the Throw. Absolutely. Don't mix em up and compensate on the way down. And that the physics of the throw out action changes with the location of the lag pressure point. Of which there is a range of about 90 degrees on the handle top to aft, or depending on what part of the right forefinger attaches , from under the first knuckle at the base of the right index finger to the first joint on the forefinger. (rotated to non rotated lag pressure point).

Drag Loading classically employs the Rotated Lag Pressure Point which goes best with a Wrist Throw, Sequenced Release. Drive classically , the first joint on the index finger (non rotated) Lag Pressure Point which goes best with a Right ARm Throw , Simu Release, thrust agains the #1pp on the aft of the shaft. But should the Right Elbow for the Hitter becomes more Pitchy (move closer to the other side of the door as the arm motion becomes more like a throwing motion rather than an inline push) the location of the Lag Pressure Point changes as does the physics of his Release.

The Hitter who loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point during Drag Loading needs to rotate it back prior to Release assuming he's going to thrust against the #1 on the aft of the shaft. Homer didn't like this method but it exists in the wild and on TV.
As such you will see most TGM instructors stick to Drive Loading vs Drag Loading , Hitting vs Swinging in their videos . But there is Drag Loading Hitting believe me.

Think of 12-1 and 12-2 as starting places , maybe places to stay even . But places with unique identities . Best to start there , master them before moving on. And so Drive is associated with Hitting . An extreme along the spectrum . But it doesn't define Hitting!!!!!!
Good to know.

Bumpy

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