The aiming point concept can create off plane motion, lss pwer, cbface algnmnt issues
How the aiming point concept can create off plane motion, less power, clubface alignment issues.
In the Golfing Machine there is a concept called the aiming point.
6-E-2 THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT The Hands and the Clubhead combine as Clubhead Lag (5-0, 6-C) and can be utilized to execute “Delivery” by directing the Lag Pressure Loading (6-C-2-A) at – and through per 4-0 – an Aiming Point located on the appropriate Delivery Line per 2-J-3 and 7-23. This Aiming Point can be pin-pointed by experiment and experience only, because “normal” Handspeed differs among players. Increased Handspeed and/or Sweep Release moves it aft of its “normal” Handspeed location and decreased Handspeed and/or Trigger Delay moves it forward. 10-24 presents additional detail. The Aiming Point replaces the Ball so you no longer direct the #3 Pressure Point at the Ball but at the Aiming Point just as if it were the Ball – like an explosion shot from sand. Experiment until you grasp the effects of Ball Positioning (2-N).
It falls under “Power Delivery” and “Thrust”. Give or take a few inches it has you direct the clubhead lag feel in your hands at the golf ball, that sits on the plane line, creating an on-plane thrust or force.
It partially based on the simple Machine concept in 1-L where he states:
1. The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).
You didn’t necessarily need to read the Golfing Machine to apply this procedure in your swing – maybe you intuitively knew that since the hands sense the golf club and the golf club hits the ball that you should take this feel in your hands and direct it at the ball – makes sense, and you can do this and hit the ball.
Assuming a single plane downswing – say you are observing a player and you are behind the ball/player looking towards the target – your eyes are perfectly aligned with the plane and sure enough you see the hands come down this plane directly at the same angle that ends up at the ball on the plane line. If we look at the Machine in 1-L – you can again see that you want the grip end of the shaft to be on plane and the hands attached to them are on plane – so you want that moving towards the plane line – and a thrust directed at the ball would seem to support this. So far we don’t have any problems the concept makes perfect sense. In fact if I stood on a chair behind this player’s back and put my eyes on the plane looking down at the ball – again assuming no plane shifts I would see the hands move right towards the plane line – and an aiming point effort at the ball would be very supportive of that motion.
However where the problem begins is that the player’s perspective is not (visually) directly on the plane- your head is well above the angled plane looking down on it. That causes a condition or illusion whereby if you try to thrust towards the ball out on the plane line you can get you hands too far out from you, requiring you to un-cock your wrist, steepen the shaft plane and NOT have your hands moving on that single plane you had envisioned. It would un-cock your left wrist in a “reverse manner” i.e. hands moving up, not the club being pulled out – creating reduced power. In addition, the off-plane motion becomes a problem.
From your perspective as the golfer the thrust of the hands isn’t directed at the ball. Say you are 6 inches before impact with the hands – the thrust isn’t out there at the ball – it’s down plane – WAY in front of the ball. Becuase of your perspective - an apparent thrust towards the ball creates an above plane movement.
In summary, if you have this issue then it most likely is in your movement from putt to full swing – you may play around with putting and chipping where your goal of the shaft immediately after impact being on a flatter plane than you are used to and see if you notice any difference in your results. Again, as a result of your perspective as the golfer looking down at the angled plane – your perception of thrusting out to the plane line can create off-plane club-shaft motions. Likewise an on-plane motion could feel much shallower and create a hand motion that doesn’t nearly make the effort to direct its thrust at the ball but move more in-line with its’ proper geometry. As the hands move down their single plane (theoretically) to their impact hand location – it can have a feeling that they are not move at all out to the plane line where the ball is even though that is the on-plane motion.
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And the aiming point concept can create an off target bullet motion, if the sights aren't lined up correctly and the trigger is jerked rather than squeezed.
I think the Aiming Point Concept is a problem because if I ask 5 who "understand" TGM I will get 9 explanations. I hold with those who place it in the area of "impact Fix" hand location. Not near the plane line but close to the left toes. (visual). This helps (me) keep my hands down. I agree that if the aiming point is placed on the plane line one may tend to lift the hands.
I think the Aiming Point Concept is a problem because if I ask 5 who "understand" TGM I will get 9 explanations. I hold with those who place it in the area of "impact Fix" hand location. Not near the plane line but close to the left toes. (visual). This helps (me) keep my hands down. I agree that if the aiming point is placed on the plane line one may tend to lift the hands.
What what whaaat?? Yes the perspective the golfer sees can make some monitoring if his own swing difficult this is why mirrors lasers and authorized instructors are your friend, this aiming point may be a problem for some but it also may be very valuable to others I wouldn't put it in the useless theorem category that's for sure.
What what whaaat?? Yes the perspective the golfer sees can make some monitoring if his own swing difficult this is why mirrors lasers and authorized instructors are your friend, this aiming point may be a problem for some but it also may be very valuable to others I wouldn't put it in the useless theorem category that's for sure.
Without the Aiming Point concept, the player is executing an inferior Pivot Controlled Hands procedure, and will find out what real problems are.
LOL! Joe, I am so not an engineer as you must know. I am a Humanities guy to the max. Ok, so when I Hit, I Impact Fix, RFT, and drive my shoulder and I can monitor both hand position over the front foot and the club face.
I realized something the hard way last week. Angled Hinge neutralizes a draw lie! So cool! Shot at lots of greens though I lost distance with the stiffer shafts on the ZB's.
Also finally got the courage to slightly close the driver at Impact Fix, helped and hurt as I experimented.
I can "shoot" using the Right Fore-Arm Angle of Approach, or the hand position at IMpact Fix, or I can shape a shot by shooting my hands at diff. positions. That's it?
I still do not quite get the "clap your hands" approach.
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I can "shoot" using the Right Fore-Arm Angle of Approach, or the hand position at IMpact Fix, or I can shape a shot by shooting my hands at diff. positions. That's it?
ICT
IC, you don't have to be an engineer to see that if you make a straight line hand effort towards Impact Fix, that you won't be Hitting down, but instead will be steering towards the target, because the hands aren't(shouldn't) be traveling down plane at impact, but rather up and in. You must drive PP#3 towards a suitable point on the plane line from the top before release.
However where the problem begins is that the player’s perspective is not (visually) directly on the plane- your head is well above the angled plane looking down on it. That causes a condition or illusion whereby if you try to thrust towards the ball out on the plane line you can get you hands too far out from you, requiring you to un-cock your wrist, steepen the shaft plane and NOT have your hands moving on that single plane you had envisioned. It would un-cock your left wrist in a “reverse manner” i.e. hands moving up, not the club being pulled out – creating reduced power. In addition, the off-plane motion becomes a problem.
Nice to hear from you Mike . You've taken some time to compose this thread so I want to make the effort to understand you fully . I don't have an opinion to be frank , as I don't follow you. Nothing new in the world of Homer Kelley, eh?
Couple of questions for clarification :
-Are you saying the above will happen given an attempt to thrust along the eye line to the ball? The eye line to the ball being steeper than the plane angle.
-Dont understand how in your geometry the hands would be moving "up" and uncocking the left wrist which makes me think I've lost you somewhere.
Ive always imagined the Aiming Point Procedure as being , from Top a throwing like motion towards the aiming point (normally the ball but you can adjust fore and aft to fight the rate at which the various lengths of levers switch ends. Hey have you ever goofed with a MOI matched set of irons?) A throwing or spearing chucking like motion but the geometric equivalent to Tracing albeit with a very different set of intentions and probably physics too. Thats my take on it in short.
By the way , your logic makes me see a complication with Plane Shifts on the downswing (very common in the field) Which would have the straight line direction of Thrust travelling a single plane angle which is above the curved (from DTL) path of the hands would it not? Hmmm.
1-Are you saying the above will happen given an attempt to thrust along the eye line to the ball? The eye line to the ball being steeper than the plane angle.
2-Dont understand how in your geometry the hands would be moving "up" and uncocking the left wrist which makes me think I've lost you somewhere.
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ob
OB,
To limit the discussion I've picked out the above two questions. Could always cover the others in future posts if you want to re-ask or pursue them. However, the above two questions I percieve to be most on topic.
1-Are you saying the above will happen given an attempt to thrust along the eye line to the ball? The eye line to the ball being steeper than the plane angle.
Yes that's basically it. However, let me clarify. Again, just to keep this simple we're using a single plane downswing. The fact that your head and eyes are above the swing plane looking towards the ball - and you naturally thrust- i.e. move towards where your eyes are looking - that is getting your hands to cover the ball visually i.e. eventually get between your eyes and the target. It seems counter intuitive to make an on-plane motion i.e. hands & clubshaft headed to the ball by visually directing them somewhere else than the ball - but that is what you need to do from your vantage point above the plane.
Clarification: The hands don't thrust down the eye line but since they start flatter than that - in this aiming point concept they'll have a tendency to eventually end up on the eye-line - then the hands will move above the original single plane downswing.
Based on various factors I'm not saying that the hands will end up between the eyes and the ball however they'll have a tendency to move towards that - steepening the plane - if you are thrusting towards the ball. By steepening the plane - I mean the clubshaft plane at impact. Becuase the hands move above the original single plane that we started with - the hands actually moved flatter - ended up above the original single plane - requiring the shaft to be steeper in order to hit the ball - which the uncocking allowed to happen.
Here's one example of what I would use as an experiment to see this for yourself. Sit in your desk chair at the house and lean the grip end of a club on the armrest and have the clubhead on the floor ahead of your feet - basically representing a plane angle. Note where the plane line would be, the ball etc., now take your hands down that shaft angle, having the hands move in front of your body like a real swing and see if you feel as if they are moving towards a point inside the plane line. Now do the other option - thrust them at a point on the plane line and see when they get to impact if they are slightly above the plane.
This falls under the category and you have to understand what perspective you are analyzing movement - on the one hand the hands are coming right down the plane towards the plane line from a 3rd person perspective, however with that same movement - from the 1st person perspective - you can't be trying to move them towards the plane line given your perspective. What's happening and what you are trying to do to make that happen are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. That's an important principle that the golf industry and probably the scientific movement industry has not yet understood.
2-Dont understand how in your geometry the hands would be moving "up" and uncocking the left wrist which makes me think I've lost you somewhere.
Good question for clarificaton - what I meant was compared to the original single plane - that is the hand position at the top - through to the ball/plane line - when using the aiming point on the plane line as discussed above. The hands would tend to be higher at impact than the original plane - so you could say that the hands would move flatter from the top - creating higher hands at impact - and therefore to hit the ball - a steeper shaft - allowed by uncocking the wrist more. You make a good point - the hands don't move up - just less down and higher than the original single plane that we are using in our theoretical example to understand the concept. Therefore I was saying that you'd be more uncocked just in order for the clubhead to hit the ball than the original single plane.
Appreciate the questions - allowed me to learn a few things myself and completely understand why you would be asking those as it wasn't clearly explained in my original outline. Check it out for yourself and look forward to your feedback.
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