7-19 Lag Loading for Drag Loading

[Bumpy]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

[innercityteacher]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

Short thumb ala Ben Hogan with snuff box to the right of the centerline of the grip, will make LAG, POWER, PROPER BITE, PROPER FLIGHT AND DISTANCE all possible. It's not all there is but you can lose everything with the wrong grip, Hitting or Swinging.

When Lynn changed my swing, putting, and chipping grips, he made par possible for me, no lie. I practice it daily!

ICT

[JerryG]

Short thumb ala Ben Hogan with snuff box to the right of the centerline of the grip, will make LAG, POWER, PROPER BITE, PROPER FLIGHT AND DISTANCE all possible. It's not all there is but you can lose everything with the wrong grip, Hitting or Swinging.

When Lynn changed my swing, putting, and chipping grips, he made par possible for me, no lie. I practice it daily!

ICT

Thanks, PB. I concur wholeheartedly. I have only heard Yoda and one other teacher give much attention to the "anatomical snuffbox." Probably the least fully understood concept in the grip, to me. Overlap, Vardon, baseball (10 finger) grips make no difference whatsoever if that snuffbox is not placed correctly. After that, things have the opportunity to fall in place. If not, all is for naught, in my humble opinion.

[Mike O]

7-19 LAG LOADING

This category recognizes the over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Preface). (Study 6-H-O, 7-3 and 7-20.)

The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure "Feel" is a deadweight inertia--exactly like dragging a wet mop through Impact--constant loading, constanct direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1. ..........
2. ..........
3. by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at The Top for Drag Loading.

Having some problems drag loading. Having even more problems discerning #3 above. At first glance, it would appear to suggest that once Top is reached I "throw" at chosen Pressure Point and the "throw" takes me to End.

Prerequisites?

Grip?
Loose wrists?
What is doing the throwing?
.....?

Rats, I gotta go, the search begins.

Bumpsy

Agree that it could be read like that - throw at the Top. However, that is not what he is saying. And you are not "throwing" anything in regards to your effort. Look at it this way - if you are throwing a ball to a catcher - you create momentum in the ball and once you send it, it has it's own momentum until it hits the catchers glove. The swinging concept in regards to "throw" in this lag loading context - means that you create independent momentum in the golf club - say a lagging takeaway or backswing - and as your hands slow down somewhere on the way back before the Top - the club has it's own momentum and continues on - i.e. is thrown (not in the true sense like the baseball but indirectly thrown) where it hits the "catcher's glove" or the #3 pressure point and potentially creating pressure among other pressure points.

This is opposed to the Hitting loading procedure where the left arm and club work as one unit - the #3 pressure point with the right arm and the supporting body slows down the backward movement of that whole unit as it approaches the TOP, that resistant to that backward motion loads the #3 pressure point and maybe others.

You "swing" back the clubshaft in swinging and "carry" it back in Hitting.

Realize that secton like most in the book just describes the basic nature of the two procedures - it's like drawing a few lines for a "stick man" and saying "that's a human being", there is certainly a lot more to it than that. One might want to exaggerate the feel at the beginning in order to accomplish it, however ultimately you might see someone setting their wristcock very early and they could be swinging. Ultimately the procedure,feel, focus can be subtle and simple - as opposed to what one might mis-understand, mis-apply or initially need to feel in order to achieve the desired result in regards to terms like "throw". So early on would a soft grip allow you to sense, create or exaggerate the correct loading - absolutely - however once understood and applied it you could do this with a firm grip.

So eventually this "throw" would be as subtle as a release "throw" - you'd be unaware of when you did it, where you did it - when you're on the golf course executing - it just "would be". Ultimately it's just another "mechanical" feature of the movement, not something that always has your total focus.

[12 piece bucket]

Agree that it could be read like that - throw at the Top. However, that is not what he is saying. And you are not "throwing" anything in regards to your effort. Look at it this way - if you are throwing a ball to a catcher - you create momentum in the ball and once you send it, it has it's own momentum until it hits the catchers glove. The swinging concept in regards to "throw" in this lag loading context - means that you create independent momentum in the golf club - say a lagging takeaway or backswing - and as your hands slow down somewhere on the way back before the Top - the club has it's own momentum and continues on - i.e. is thrown (not in the true sense like the baseball but indirectly thrown) where it hits the "catcher's glove" or the #3 pressure point and potentially creating pressure among other pressure points.

This is opposed to the Hitting loading procedure where the left arm and club work as one unit - the #3 pressure point with the right arm and the supporting body slows down the backward movement of that whole unit as it approaches the TOP, that resistant to that backward motion loads the #3 pressure point and maybe others.

You "swing" back the clubshaft in swinging and "carry" it back in Hitting.

Realize that secton like most in the book just describes the basic nature of the two procedures - it's like drawing a few lines for a "stick man" and saying "that's a human being", there is certainly a lot more to it than that. One might want to exaggerate the feel at the beginning in order to accomplish it, however ultimately you might see someone setting their wristcock very early and they could be swinging. Ultimately the procedure,feel, focus can be subtle and simple - as opposed to what one might mis-understand, mis-apply or initially need to feel in order to achieve the desired result in regards to terms like "throw". So early on would a soft grip allow you to sense, create or exaggerate the correct loading - absolutely - however once understood and applied it you could do this with a firm grip.

So eventually this "throw" would be as subtle as a release "throw" - you'd be unaware of when you did it, where you did it - when you're on the golf course executing - it just "would be". Ultimately it's just another "mechanical" feature of the movement, not something that always has your total focus.

really good post....you back on the pipe obvously....

[Mike O]

really good post....you back on the pipe obvously....

A little Meth - nothing major - dealing more than using.

For any newbies - "really good post...." doesn't mean really good post - it means that post sucks - kinda of like when you say "That's Sick!" and you really mean it's good!

Drew's one of my best Meth customers - "Put your Float in the Parade"? You're kidding me, I mean killing me!! And just in case you come out of your Meth induced Coma - IF you bring float loading to the bank - we ain't taking it! - as collateral or as a deposit!

[HungryBear]

I think it very important understanding Homer's use of CAPS. and "quotes" . "Somewhat" explained "back" in 1-H.

I "think" the use of "throwing" and a literal understanding as Throwing is unfortunate in some cases. As is the use of "swivel" and "roll" "back" in 4-D. The perception may be different to the observer than the golfer.

With this "in mind" "throwing", "swivel", and "roll" require thought- OR "whatever" you guys had in mind in the previous posts.

HB

[Bumpy]

I think it very important understanding Homer's use of CAPS. and "quotes" . "Somewhat" explained "back" in 1-H.

I "think" the use of "throwing" and a literal understanding as Throwing is unfortunate in some cases. As is the use of "swivel" and "roll" "back" in 4-D. The perception may be different to the observer than the golfer.

With this "in mind" "throwing", "swivel", and "roll" require thought- OR "whatever" you guys had in mind in the previous posts.

HB

Thanks, CantankerousBear.

Time to request those reams of additional data. At this rate I'll be dead or divorced before I break par.

Bumpy

[innercityteacher]

Thanks Mike O, that cleared the fog quite a bit for drive and drag, now just a light haze. Suspect my intermittent problems drag loading are mostly old age, flexibility and fatigue/stress destroying alignments.

Here are my current thoughts on Lag Loading.

1. Drive Loading(less experience)- Carry back(liked that)Deliberate resistance compared to drag, feels considerably shorter than drag, clubface feels aligned.

2. Float Loading (No Idea)- Doesn't sound anything like Drive Loading. I might be float loading for less than full power.

3. Drag Loading (that's me, requires a different mental state than my norm, nice reality break) - Your exlanation was great, momentum created(swung/thrown). I'm trying to be pliable AND let the weight stretch me while maintaing alignments, feels long/delayed, clubface feels rotated/laid off?. The bad swings/days I feel like I am catching the club with a misaligned stiff glove, like poor power transfer from the club to all 3 zones( a glancing blow), no slot.




Bumpy

All I feel young sir, is my left thumb while Swinging or RFT tracing the baseline of the plane while Hitting. My point is that the downswing happens so fast it is hard for me to do anything but see the ball leave.

"Left thumb/ Address/Drag or Trace takeaway/ Step Left or Elbow Plane Push to Both Arms Straight," is my list now. I am working towards "Right Forearm on Plane, Pincher Action, Quiet Hands, Quiet Feet....same as the last, same as the last."

I can't get the video link now but will provide it later.

ICT

[JerryG]

City,
You must be on break this week. Are you getting out to golf?