JT, a big draw with a short iron and angled would require plane line rotation wouldnt it? I see horizontal on Rory most of the time. Love his motion, it made some for some great shots. He "let the motion make the shot". Balance too, even with his driver....... crazy good given how fast he was letting it flow.
He's fast but not over accelerating. He's got Lag and Drag and Im not talking about his left wrist cock when I say this. Its good too by the way.
Right, obviously swinging.......guess Im asking my question poorly. Let's try again - when a "swinger" like Rory appears to use significant pivot over hands and drastically reduces clubface rotation through the strike for specific clubs or shots, is he " holding" the face? Is he a temporary steerer? Changing hinge action from shot to shot?.......
Yes,a " manipulated" Hands Swinger but not necessarily Steerer unless he's affecting a Vertical Hinge and holding the face square to the hole. In a manner of speaking Vertical is intentional Steering. Well one of the three forms of Steering anyways. Only the True Swinger relies on CF alone to square the face and always via Horizontal. Imagine the shaft as made of string. No amount of hand manipulation will have any effect.
Any golfer , manipulated hands swinger , hitter worth his salt can hold off a shot.....which is hand manipulation. In Homers manner of defining things , cataloguing things he often defined the two extremes and then the middle. True swinging being one extreme and similar to a rock on a string or more correctly a clubface on the end of a string. In his experiments he made a model just like this and it displayed ......Horizontal Hinging. No face manipulation possible. Im still not sure if there is such a thing as a true swinger out there playing golf? Maybe some guys approach it, at times. I dunno.
Good stuff OB. Hard to say there isn't some intentional "steering" or "holding" the face going on with alot of these guys........especially with short shots, and especially the good ones. And yes, I agree.... I would argue that there isn't a pure swinger or hitter on tour. Some with obvious biases but no one is pushing only, pulling only, using CF only, or muscular thrust only......... IMO
A long ways away from one pattern through the bag and around the course.....
Especially with the masters level of golfers. Im no master but I hit my knock downs, can Swing an Angled hold off approach etc.. Ive been doing/attempting this for years but just didnt know what it was. Now I know and am way better at it given more precision through understanding.
Oh damn , just hexed myself and I have a three day tourney next week. Touch wood, jinx.
I think Lynn could be THE short game guru or shot making guru to the stars (amongst other things). He knows the geometry required and how to do it. He could write the book on impact geometry, ball response and how to pull it off. Or has it been written already if in a confusing manner by Homer?
Good stuff OB. Hard to say there isn't some intentional "steering" or "holding" the face going on with alot of these guys........especially with short shots, and especially the good ones
There is for sure. Homers aversion to these things was in regard to total compression. Check out the Pause Minor Basic Stroke for an application of intentional throwaway or intentional "swinging the clubhead". The photo displays Horizontal but imagine what it would look like for Vertical? You'd get the tour flop with the breaking left wrist.
Basically you can undo everything for an intentional loss of compression. A masters level of execution. And something Lynn does by the hour around his practice bunker. He scoots the clubhead under the ball and past the hands , with a flat left wrist or without and hits these little shots that go high and travel a short distance. Over and over. A shot Bobby Jones described as "cutting the legs out from underneath the ball". First you learn the flat left wrist , then you can break it if its really necessary. Of course you can flop it with a flat left wrist too, just saying everything is in play as a tool, or machine adjustment. Everything could conceivably have a possible use. One hand on the club, broken left wrist etc.
No doubt about it, I don't claim to have it all figured out.....its fun to get in there and study for yourself and figure out what you think and why. There are guys going from "under" to "over", holding then snapping, coming below elbows to down tsp planes, ......the same guy that is, from one swing to the next.
But Im not talking about sacrificing compression or being flipped.... Rory made certain swings where the face got shut sooner in release, was held onto, the face did next to nothing, and there was plenty of compression to go around.
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