So to sum up the #3 acc. Angle which can be changed by plane angle puts a limit on the release point but as long as you are at whichever limit it is you are snap releasing.
Sorry guys if this has been covered but it appears (I have given some of the recent comments about releases in this thread a fairly cursory glance) as if there is an assumption that an elbow plane requires more #3 accumulator.
The #3 accumulator is the angle formed by the left arm and club shaft, to quote: "Power Accumulator #3 is formed by the angle established between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm."
If the left wrist is level (that, if I'm not mistaken is an impact condition recommendation because it gives more support and control for impact) would this not create the same angle between the left wrist and forearm (assuming you are using the same club) and if so is there any requirement that wrist conditions should be changed due to plane angle. I can't seem to remember any place in the book where it says so or is contained therein through "obvious inference."
Sorry guys if this has been covered but it appears (I have given some of the recent comments about releases in this thread a fairly cursory glance) as if there is an assumption that an elbow plane requires more #3 accumulator.
The #3 accumulator is the angle formed by the left arm and club shaft, to quote: "Power Accumulator IS is formed by the angle established between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm."
If the left wrist is level (that, if I'm not mistaken is an impact condition recommendation because it gives more support and control for impact) would this not create the same angle between the left wrist and forearm (assuming you are using the same club) and if so is there any requirement that wrist conditions should be changed due to plane angle. I can't seem to remember any place in the book where it says so or is contained therein through "obvious inference."
There is a wide spread misconception that to swing on a shallow plane, you must come into impact with non-level left wrist, like a left handed topspin backhand in tennis. As you said, the left wrist condition at impact is level, regardless of down swing plane.
If the left wrist is level (that, if I'm not mistaken is an impact condition recommendation because it gives more support and control for impact) would this not create the same angle between the left wrist and forearm (assuming you are using the same club) and if so is there any requirement that wrist conditions should be changed due to plane angle. I can't seem to remember any place in the book where it says so or is contained therein through "obvious inference."
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You are correct that the Left Wrist, normally, should be Level at Impact.
But you can still create different amounts of Accumulator #3 (different angles between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm) by placing the Clubshaft more towards the roots of the fingers of the Left Hand (for more acc. #3) or more towards the Heel of the Left Hand (for less acc. #3) or even in the Cup of the Left Hand (for no acc. #3).
You are correct that the Left Wrist, normally, should be Level at Impact.
But you can still create different amounts of Accumulator #3 (different angles between the Clubshaft and the Left Forearm) by placing the Clubshaft more towards the roots of the fingers of the Left Hand (for more acc. #3) or more towards the Heel of the Left Hand (for less acc. #3) or even in the Cup of the Left Hand (for no acc. #3).
I'm not suggesting that you can't have more or less #3 Accumulator. My original point was it seems that in this thread there "is an assumption that an elbow plane requires more #3 Accumulator." Does setting the shaft on the elbow plane necessitate placing the club in the fingers creating more Accumulator #3 angle ?
Does setting the shaft on the elbow plane necessitate placing the club in the fingers creating more Accumulator #3 angle ?
Elbow Plane is flatter than Turned Shoulder Plane. In order to set the Clubshaft on the Elbow Plane you need more Accumulator #3 angle than to set the Clubshaft on the TSP.
There are basically two ways (6-B-3-B) to achieve this:
1. By changing the position of the Clubshaft in your Left Hand.
2. By changing your Perpendicular Wrist Conditions (4-B).
#1 is what I tried to explain in my previous post, and it's the recommended way. The exact position of the Clubshaft in your Left Hand will depend on various factors. So you may not necessarily have to go as far as to hold the Clubshaft in your fingers to be on Elbow Plane, but it should be more towards the fingers for Elbow Plane and more away from the fingers for the steeper Planes.
#2 is possible, but not recommended. It would require a Cocked Left Wrist at Impact to put the Clubshaft on Elbow Plane. That would make Impact Alignments difficult to control. And it would restrain the release of Accumulator #2, resulting in a loss of power.
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I'm happy that I've finally read something about matching the plane with the PA3 angle! For a time I thought I'm nuts...someone else understand, and they're more than two!...hehe
Elbow Plane is flatter than Turned Shoulder Plane. In order to set the Clubshaft on the Elbow Plane you need more Accumulator #3 angle than to set the Clubshaft on the TSP.
There are basically two ways (6-B-3-B) to achieve this:
1. By changing the position of the Clubshaft in your Left Hand.
2. By changing your Perpendicular Wrist Conditions (4-B).
#1 is what I tried to explain in my previous post, and it's the recommended way. The exact position of the Clubshaft in your Left Hand will depend on various factors. So you may not necessarily have to go as far as to hold the Clubshaft in your fingers to be on Elbow Plane, but it should be more towards the fingers for Elbow Plane and more away from the fingers for the steeper Planes.
#2 is possible, but not recommended. It would require a Cocked Left Wrist at Impact to put the Clubshaft on Elbow Plane. That would make Impact Alignments difficult to control. And it would restrain the release of Accumulator #2, resulting in a loss of power.
Sorry for the lack of nuance in describing the grip as being "in the fingers" rather than '"more" in the fingers'.
When Mr. Kelley writes in 7-2 -4, "move the Stance Line and adjust the Knee Bend, the Waist Bend and the #3 Accumulator Angle (per 6-B-3-B) until the Left Wrist is Flat, Level and Vertical (4-0, 7-8 ) with the Clubface "Soled" and aligned per 2-J-1 and 7-6," should the words "move the Stance Line and adjust the Knee Bend, the Waist Bend" have been omitted ?
When I asked the question (Does setting the shaft on the elbow plane necessitate placing the club in the fingers creating more Accumulator #3 angle ?), I guess I had in mind this. Is there more to setting the plane angle than simply the way the club is placed, more or less, in the fingers per 6-B-3-B ? And if so, is it possible to change the plane angle without changing the grips placement in the fingers (more or less) and thus the Accumulator #3 angle ? It appears there is.
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