Just a "guess" from me. It feels like the face is being aligned bu cf but the face is held by the flat left hand. the left wedge - #3 accumulator- move through inpact with RHYTHM. to me this is rhythm and feels good but is a result of educated flat left hand and your hours of looking and practicing.
HB
A feel based thing then , something learned , ingrained . I can see how it could be so intellectually but I still believe otherwise in my golf brain. Magical thinking maybe ..
Just trying to think of the implications to all of this. What it means to other things we hold as truths.
The free flowing , rolling with rhythm flail produces the fastest club head speeds and more face rolling. A farmer would never flail with a vertical hinge it being less speedy , less effective , more injurious , more effortful too perhaps. Compression does require the higher rates of face closure IMO. But there is a rate which is too much! To find the exact rate of closure that is ideal in the absence of cf producing it would require even more skill than Homer thought necessary. Hogan might concur with this line of thinking as he believed that as a golfers swing (flail) improved the natural by product was a hooked shot and so he held off his #3 rotation somewhat. There's some irony there perhaps as he possessed the worlds greatest flail and in the end held it off on occasion , to varying degrees.
HB what about Horizontal then ? Is it the ideal compression wise ? Or are the various basic planes "arbitrary" so to speak? Mere bench marks?
Just trying to think of the implications to all of this. What it means to other things we hold as truths.
The free flowing , rolling with rhythm flail produces the fastest club head speeds and more face rolling. A farmer would never flail with a vertical hinge it being less speedy , less effective , more injurious , more effortful too perhaps. Compression does require the higher rates of face closure IMO. But there is a rate which is too much! To find the exact rate of closure that is ideal in the absence of cf producing it would require even more skill than Homer thought necessary. Hogan might concur with this line of thinking as he believed that as a golfers swing (flail) improved the natural by product was a hooked shot and so he held off his #3 rotation somewhat. There's some irony there perhaps as he possessed the worlds greatest flail and in the end held it off on occasion , to varying degrees.
HB what about Horizontal then ? Is it the ideal compression wise ? Or are the various basic planes "arbitrary" so to speak? Mere bench marks?
3-B, par.#4, "... Inability to execute a full Pivot Stroke at one half and one quarter speed as smoothly as at full speed indicates a flaw in the full speed procedure. ..."
Hogan had his super-slow-motion "concentration" drill.
I believe the swing is very mechanical in how it executes the physics and the/my/anyones UNCOMPENSATED stroke contains avery limited access to component variations.
I believe horizontal hinge fits with swinging and angled fits with hitting. And for good reasons. In swinging pp#3 is mainly sensing and ihas no restriction about rotating on the shaft. BUT hitting the right hand pp#1 mmust retain geometric relationship th the left which controls hinging therefore angled is necessary to maintain this relationship.
As you can see I would make my chapter #13 grow and limit component selection substantialy.
I am a believer in the "KISS" keep it simple philosophy. If a motion is not "advantageous" eliminate it. The face is aligned at the top for good reason. Why mess up this alignment then do a recovery move through impact. The wedge"s assembly rolls into impact. maybe ~30 deg. and this is insync with the unfolding right arm, and the swivel at both arms streight is again only about 30 deg. this must be a swivel because there is no other way to keep the shaft near the plane. Hogan looks like he is holding off but I think he has eliminated unnecessary "stuff". If you look at hogan release carefully you can see a release that goes closed to open and reduces arror. On the other hand, "so many" seem to have the philosophy of OPEN to CLOSE through impact. (phil mickelson perhaps) Now PM has great hands. Hogan had great ball striking. and I am convinced Hohan could do all that PM does but only when needed.
HK also wrote- 1-L THE MACHINE CONCEPT, C. The Left Wrist is Clubface Control
Very Clear.
HB
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Now you're just making stuff up hungrybear random degrees of closing talking abouthogan going from closed to open?!? This is definitely not what's happening. lol so many have this philosophy of open to close...it's called physics hb not philosophy they do itbecause it is anatural product of cf. U seem to greatly misunderstand how the golf swing creates geometry with physics not vis versa and u obviously highly disagree with the core concepts of the Golfing machine such as swinging hinge actions etc. I have no endorsement to your so called findings and everyone should know that thy are nowhere in te book
Also u do not understand the flying wedges as it seems very few do on here because u guys always seem to think thy are not intact. First of all it is not an assembly the primary lever with the right armcheckrein is properly an assembly the flying wedges are rather simply a relationship it is not an actual component or assembly te right wrist bend perpendicular to the left wrist cock this is what u need to worry about front wedges a strong single action grip and no bend or arch of the wrist ur understandin is not high enough to make analysis of wether or not the wedges are in tact.
Now you're just making stuff up hungrybear random degrees of closing talking abouthogan going from closed to open?!? This is definitely not what's happening. lol so many have this philosophy of open to close...it's called physics hb not philosophy they do itbecause it is anatural product of cf. U seem to greatly misunderstand how the golf swing creates geometry with physics not vis versa and u obviously highly disagree with the core concepts of the Golfing machine such as swinging hinge actions etc. I have no endorsement to your so called findings and everyone should know that thy are nowhere in te book
Also u do not understand the flying wedges as it seems very few do on here because u guys always seem to think thy are not intact. First of all it is not an assembly the primary lever with the right armcheckrein is properly an assembly the flying wedges are rather simply a relationship it is not an actual component or assembly te right wrist bend perpendicular to the left wrist cock this is what u need to worry about front wedges a strong single action grip and no bend or arch of the wrist ur understandin is not high enough to make analysis of wether or not the wedges are in tact.
Please annotate your statements with the proper notes from the book so we can separate fact and fiction.
Thank You
HB
Last edited by HungryBear : 07-15-2012 at 04:06 PM.
Just a "guess" from me. It feels like the face is being aligned bu cf but the face is held by the flat left hand. the left wedge - #3 accumulator- move through inpact with RHYTHM. to me this is rhythm and feels good but is a result of educated flat left hand and your hours of looking and practicing.
HB
You seem to imply swivel trough impact (forarm mouvement), why not Hinge (arm mouvement) ?
Frankly hb it is not me that needs to back up my statements because I'm only telling u basic concepts of Tgm it's u that has these theories and new truths you talk about. My story is a nonfiction one I dont need to annotate in the book where it says cf aligns the clubface for a true swinger I dont need to quote how the left wrist is perpendicular to the right wrist bend for the flying wedges I don't need to copy and paste the fact that The flying wedges ate not an assembly they aren't they are a relationship
Frankly hb it is not me that needs to back up my statements because I'm only telling u basic concepts of Tgm it's u that has these theories and new truths you talk about. My story is a nonfiction one I dont need to annotate in the book where it says cf aligns the clubface for a true swinger I dont need to quote how the left wrist is perpendicular to the right wrist bend for the flying wedges I don't need to copy and paste the fact that The flying wedges ate not an assembly they aren't they are a relationship
HK also wrote- 1-L THE MACHINE CONCEPT, C. The Left Wrist is Clubface Control
So let me get this straight you think that if you drag a club longitudinally and create centrifugal force it won't have a natural tendency to horizontal hinge?Instea it's only a product of educated hands?
Yes.
Of course, educated hands know how to work CF to the golfer's advantage.
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