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Old 04-05-2010, 11:00 AM
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"string" into spring
It is spring now in New Hampshire and my heart is singing. That long dark winter is but a memory. This is OUR New Hampshire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=bX7nQrCgALM

(this video was made by kids from my town that grew up just down the road from my place)

But I digress, Golf has reemerged, the lessons, hopes, plans and dreams are ripe for testing. I have some new outdoor “stuff”. I reset-up my net. I have a new 3’ x 4’ mirror which I built a frame for and with a piece of piano hinge I have a standing frame on the back. A large mirror is important because I can see the entire motion at much closer distance. I have a NEW casio camera which is the best thing I got this year. I tested the camera outdoors over the weekend and discovered that Look, Look , Look takes a slo-mo camera. What I was feeling is not exactly what I am doing. The camera will be like having an instructors eyes 24-7. It will get me to a “whole new level”. I set it on a tripod looking over the top of my mirror from head on or “down the line”. I call this my “string plane” view. I have a semi-circle net . I set a plane line to the center – base of the net. I take a piece of masonry line and use a tee to fasten in the ground at net end of plane line and clip to net frame at top plane line. This makes adjusting easy. I use a second piece of masonry line at the camera end of the plane line again fastened with a tee on the plane line and attached with a clip to a tall vertical rod under a “top of plane “ position. (I have a javelin which is easy to put in the ground and move whenever I reposition the net- I use to be a catcher, LOL) . With the “string plane” set up properly the camera can be positioned EXACTLY on plane. The plane will show-up well in the pictures Nuff for now, got to go make some Really Ugly motion disappear.
The Bear

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Old 04-05-2010, 07:23 PM
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Great stuff.

Cut yourself some slack when you get to grass. Mats and grass are not the same. Something I struggle with all the time. Wont go near a mat during the summer and have no alternative during the winter. Every spring I emerge from the dome to wonder what the heck has happened to my "Down" and "Out". It takes me a few games to recover. I purchased a super thick mini mat this winter thinking it might help but after playing a few rounds , no luck. Ball placement has slid way up, flip release, damn.

Maybe thats just me though.


Look, look, look at your Hands and re learn the feel associated with your hinge action, with tracing , being on plane when the butt points down. It'll change , you need to check it every day Id say to play by feel and be aligned. A camera is great for sure but you need to be able to do a self check for warm ups and even on course when things go wrong. I slide the butt end down a few inches so I can better see where its pointing before the club switches ends.

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:13 PM
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Thanks O.B.
Have done some thinking this one out. Will splain shortly.
My first intentions of this thread were to:
A. Celebrate spring with a Plug for our state and local kids for a “Most Excellent” video.
B. Show how I set up a plane with string, etc. to get a perfect “plane edge” view for a camera.

So, now to” Splain”
I can no blame my hands. When I can see them (look, look, look) I know the feel and I feel #3 well for all hinge motions #2 and #1 as well and #4 as applied and foot pressures to the ground and etc. the reality is that what I feel where I cannot see may be/ is WRONG.
Three errors:
1. I don’t properly recognize TOP as a STATION- I treat TOP as a “TRANSITION” being nothing more than the most up-plane point.
2. I have used the TOP for loading.
3. I have numerous “wiggles and jiggles” at and around TOP.
4. Hand position at impact is not consistent with lag feel.
The camera allowed me to see these errors and I am in the process of fixing them. There is a great deal more to the "splainin" analysis and "fixin" than I included above but this shows the benefits of better observation obtainable with a camera.

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:42 PM
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I get wiggles and jiggles at top too sometimes. It can be the result of force being applied to a mis aligned shaft for me. Slightly laid off loading begetting the opposite firing and I look like Zoro up there sometimes.

Top is resultant Id say. The good golfer swinging without a club in an elevator or where ever would not display a full backswing if he were being true to the forces ( pivot and arms) that he normally employs. He'd take it back to somewhere past where his right arm is parallel to the ground, not to Top. No where near it. With the weight of the club in his hands that motion alone is enough to throw the club and the attached Hands and Arms to the more normal Top position. There has to be some gliding to a stop up there. If you lift your arms all the way up there to Top or even worse End then your transition will suffer. You cant be going one way with your lower body and lifting your arms in the other direction very easily. Lifting to Top with the hands is normally accompanied with a pulling down by the hands. Full sweep release, not good for power, maybe around the green if you want to flop it or something.

But with the arms coasting to Top if you load your left foot ............you can go two ways at once. Hogan swore to Knudsen that his club never, ever got to parallel on his backswing. Something that befuddled George. He knew his club got to parallel. I think it was a play on words, a riddle, that he actually got to parallel on his "downswing". Not a bad notion given all that it implies. Another one of Hogans secrets maybe.

I personally find a lagging takeaway to really help with this deal. When I carry back , I tend to keep carrying it back and up too high. But I used to lift my hands way way too much as a kid. So I use a lagging takeaway most days, hitting or swinging. But I drag load when Im hitting too so Im all over the place.

I really like your string line as the edge of the plane idea. It is the inclined plane or a horizontal section of it. Perfect for Tracing. The opposite of a rail that you'd run the clubhead along, covering, which would see the shaft leave the string line if you had both set up. OK for putting if your eye prefers it but death to fuller strokes.

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Old 04-08-2010, 02:49 PM
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One point I have refreshed myself on is that is IMPOSSIBLE to determine your own flat plane even in a mirror because your head-eyes- are not in a position that eliminates SERIOUS paralax. A camera that is EXACTLY placed on the edge of a plane has no paralax. The only problem is that the plane an camera MUST be readjusted for every plane change. BUT it will not be long before I have a table of plane angles, one angle for each practice club.
And, as long as I'm here again. What I am experimenting with at TOP- STATION- is to make it a true station. STOP and review. I figure if I can't stop there I shouldn't be there anyway. AND I mean top even for a basic motion. 2 feet back and stop. The wiggles come from throwing the club against pp to establish lag pressure then carrying it back down immediatelt. Too convulsive and makes bad efforts.
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O.B.
One point I have refreshed myself on is that is IMPOSSIBLE to determine your own flat plane even in a mirror because your head-eyes- are not in a position that eliminates SERIOUS paralax. A camera that is EXACTLY placed on the edge of a plane has no paralax. The only problem is that the plane an camera MUST be readjusted for every plane change. BUT it will not be long before I have a table of plane angles, one angle for each practice club.
And, as long as I'm here again. What I am experimenting with at TOP- STATION- is to make it a true station. STOP and review. I figure if I can't stop there I shouldn't be there anyway. AND I mean top even for a basic motion. 2 feet back and stop. The wiggles come from throwing the club against pp to establish lag pressure then carrying it back down immediatelt. Too convulsive and makes bad efforts.
My personal opinion is all this fear of parallax when using a camera is getting carried away. It's not specific degrees we need to watch, it's alignments in motion. Feel is involved, not just science. We can learn from video no matter the perfect angle or not. Its not ALL science, its a game of feel from mechanics...

It's cool for some guys to disrespect video and its uses by other teachers to build their own programs. A lot of show biz involved in that, no need to throw the baby out with the bath water...

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Old 04-09-2010, 12:49 PM
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My personal opinion is all this fear of parallax when using a camera is getting carried away. It's not specific degrees we need to watch, it's alignments in motion. Feel is involved, not just science. We can learn from video no matter the perfect angle or not. Its not ALL science, its a game of feel from mechanics...

It's cool for some guys to disrespect video and its uses by other teachers to build their own programs. A lot of show biz involved in that, no need to throw the baby out with the bath water...

Kevin
Please reread;

My comment was that it is not possible to eliminate paralax with a mirror. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE ALL PARALAX with a camera set up at the edge of a plane. therefore a moving picture becomes MOST valuable and not disresprecting video but elevating video and providing more absolutes for specifis evaluation. I have neither a program nor show biz nor wish to explain or favor/disfavor the use of camera/video beyond a geometric configuration and practical application for whome ever will find use for it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Old 04-09-2010, 03:54 PM
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Please reread;

My comment was that it is not possible to eliminate paralax with a mirror. IT IS POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE ALL PARALAX with a camera set up at the edge of a plane. therefore a moving picture becomes MOST valuable and not disresprecting video but elevating video and providing more absolutes for specifis evaluation. I have neither a program nor show biz nor wish to explain or favor/disfavor the use of camera/video beyond a geometric configuration and practical application for whome ever will find use for it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The Bear
Bear,

Sorry my friend, that post wasn't an attack on you or your post at all.Just my opinion on the camera still being a valuable tool.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding, no harm meant Bear.

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