I know I'm just a rookie, but I look at TGM as THE fundamentals to use while building ANY swing. I think all great methods need to be based upon TGM fundamentals...
Kevin
Kevin,
There are trillions of effective, precision patterns that are based on Geometry (Alignments) and Physics (Power). Geometry and Physics are your Fundamentals. "Great" Methods and Procedures are the flexible framework that must adhere to those scientific Principles.
There are trillions of effective, precision patterns that are based on Geometry (Alignments) and Physics (Power). Geometry and Physics are your Fundamentals. "Great" Methods and Procedures are the flexible framework that must adhere to those scientific Principles.
Drew
WONDERFUL EXPLANATION!
Thanks Drew,
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
From the way I interpret it there really is no such thing as a 'non-TGM' type of swing (I guess unless you do not obey the 3 imperatives, then you can say that), but Clampett's swing pattern had a lot of components that Mr. Kelley probably would not have 'encouraged', for a lack of a better word.
Of course, I'm intermediate at best with my knowledge of TGM, but perhaps Ben and Clampett did work on right forearm takeaway and it was something that Clampett struggled with so much that they truly decided it was a 'personal preference' deal. Cool to see the real Homer Kelley notes though.
From what I've read, Ben and Homer had some different preferences on stroke patterns, components, and variations (for example, pivot controlled hands vs. hands controlled pivot). What Ben saw in the little yellow book was a precise and effective way of describing and teaching the components and their variations. He liked the "what, how and why" of TGM.
Alignments of motion and action are fundamental to The Golfing Machine, and Geometry and Physics are tools used which analyze and describe those alignments. Homer Kelley believed that to control the Golf Ball, you must control the Impact point and the Line of Compression (3 dimensional impact).
Joe Amateur and Joe Pro, typically use “Downstroke Casting” (like casting a fishing rod) as a way (method) of swinging the Golf Club to strike the Golf Ball. This method “allows” and “Encourages” Acute Elbow Bending and Right Wrist Cocking. Look at any Golf Swing on Tour or at the practice range, and you’ll see the following swing.
A Shoulder Turn Take-away with Both arms straight then, halfway up the backstroke, the elbow draws into the side of the Torso to fold the Right Elbow and Cock the Right Wrist. The Downswing sequence begins with a torso spin to throw the right arm and right wrist into a casting motion toward the Ball. Practice this with the right arm as though you’re casting a fishing rod, and then perform the same casting motion down plane at the ball. Then watch the Pros and Amateurs to witness this procedure in action.
When I read people say that it’s a little easier to Hit (as in Hitter) the Ball if they keep the Elbow a little tighter to the Torso, I cringe. “Downstroke Casting”.
Homer Kelley replaced “Downstroke Casting” with the “Big Four”. He replaced the common method of the day, with His Method. Nobody listened. NOBODY UNDERSTOOD. What’s curious is that most of the pros since Bobby Jones, have used the “Big Four” in their short games and some from full five irons on down to the Lob Wedge. The Problem is, is that they don’t even know it.
The Golfing Machine is a framework, a method that the variations of the 24 components can hang and be used successfully to one degree or another. However, the variations are not the only variations available to the 24 components. They are the variations that include Zero, Full, and optional motions useful for the “Big Four”.
Consider this; Homer Kelley agreed that Right Arm Swinging is true Swinging Procedure and that it allowed for a “Bent Left Wrist” at Impact. Is that in the Book? A mention perhaps, but no; because it isn’t compatible with the Flying Wedges. Homer named the Big Four. He “BRANDED” them. They are the heart of the Golfing Machine and the Core to his method.
Why isn’t “Right Arm Casting” in the Book? Because it’s the antithesis of the Golfing Machine. You may try to explain “Right Arm Casting” as a “Right Arm Throw”, but that explanation can be easily disproved.
Homer named the Big Four. He “BRANDED” them. They are the heart of the Golfing Machine and the Core to his method.
Daryl,
I applaud your efforts and the quest you are on. I don't believe that this forum has had anyone, other than Lynn and a select few, with your sustained energy and your contributions are always enlightening.
Question for you. Of your Big Four,which you say, "are the heart of the Golfing Machine and the Core to his method", "Right Forearm Take-Away", "Magic of the Right Forearm" and "Extensor Action" and the "Right Forearm Flying Wedge"...which one controls the Clubface?
I applaud your efforts and the quest you are on. I don't believe that this forum has had anyone, other than Lynn and a select few, with your sustained energy and your contributions are always enlightening.
Question for you. Of your Big Four,which you say, "are the heart of the Golfing Machine and the Core to his method", "Right Forearm Take-Away", "Magic of the Right Forearm" and "Extensor Action" and the "Right Forearm Flying Wedge"...which one controls the Clubface?
You are Truly thinking like The Golfing Machine.
"HINGE ACTION"
Now it's the "BIG FIVE". Are there any more?
"Right Forearm Take-Away",
"Magic of the Right Forearm"
"Extensor Action"
"Right Forearm Flying Wedge"
"Hinge Action"
I think that if this list gets above Eight (, then we might have a Golf Method on our hands.
From the way I interpret it there really is no such thing as a 'non-TGM' type of swing (I guess unless you do not obey the 3 imperatives, then you can say that), but Clampett's swing pattern had a lot of components that Mr. Kelley probably would not have 'encouraged', for a lack of a better word.
Of course, I'm intermediate at best with my knowledge of TGM, but perhaps Ben and Clampett did work on right forearm takeaway and it was something that Clampett struggled with so much that they truly decided it was a 'personal preference' deal. Cool to see the real Homer Kelley notes though.
3JACK
You don't even have to obey the 3 imperatives . . . . Mr. Kelley said throwaway was valid if it was done intentionally . . . probably wouldn't be advised. I think Mr. Kelley would want you to UNDERSTAND your procedure . . . . There's a sound bite where some of the members of the original AI classes try to get Mr. Kelley pinned down on a "the way". . . . they were like "You don't RECOMMEND anything do you?" He was like "nope."
From what I've read, Ben and Homer had some different preferences on stroke patterns, components, and variations (for example, pivot controlled hands vs. hands controlled pivot). What Ben saw in the little yellow book was a precise and effective way of describing and teaching the components and their variations. He liked the "what, how and why" of TGM.
Comments?
Pivot controlled hands is valid . . . . check the to 20 on the leaderboard every Sunday . . . . May not be what we should do but there are plent of people who do it at an extremely high level . . . . there's a quote in the books somewhere about maximizing physics with pivot controlled hands.
There are trillions of effective, precision patterns that are based on Geometry (Alignments) and Physics (Power). Geometry and Physics are your Fundamentals. "Great" Methods and Procedures are the flexible framework that must adhere to those scientific Principles.
What’s curious is that most of the pros since Bobby Jones, have used the “Big Four” in their short games and some from full five irons on down to the Lob Wedge. The Problem is, is that they don’t even know it. 
is a framework, a method that the variations of the 24 components can hang and be used successfully to one degree or another. However, the variations are not the only variations available to the 24 components. They are the variations that include Zero, Full, and optional motions useful for the “Big Four”. 
, then we might have a Golf Method on our hands.
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