That's really interesting. I'm not kidding. A month ago, I was convinced that Hitting was a superior procedure over Swinging from short range and I still believe that, but with reservation.
Hitting and Swinging are very different and it does take time to switch to Hitting after my tee shot on short par 4s and I'm not completely comfortable with doing so. I'm beginning to think, because of my recent experiments, that Swinging with Single Wrist Action may be a better choice from inside 100 yards. My reasoning is that it only requires 2 component adjustments rather than an entire Procedure and it brings all of the benefits of Hitting (Angled Hinge, FLW/BRW from Startup, No Swivel, etc.). Fewer moving parts.
Though, there is no doubt in my mind that Hitting chip shots is still Superior to Swinging chip shots. But because it's normally a non-Pivot stroke, I don't have a problem easily adjusting to it just like my Putting Hitting Procedure was easy to adjust to.
D,
Very interesting.... I'd like to hear more about how you use 10-18-C with your swinging motion. Is it the "-2" procedure? What are the 2 component adjustments you make..... elimination of the swivel and face orientation at impact fix to account for AH layback?
I've tried angled hinging with swinging, but find that the "tension" I need to apply to ensure AH and not the HH of the swinger can over-ride and/or interfere with CF.
I'm really trying to get my 130 and in game where it needs to be to get to another level. I thought I might do it by perfecting a hitting action, but I don't think I have the time to be able to master hitting to where I can effectively move from swinging outside of 130 or so to hitting full short irons.
Very interesting.... I'd like to hear more about how you use 10-18-C with your swinging motion. Is it the "-2" procedure? What are the 2 component adjustments you make..... elimination of the swivel and face orientation at impact fix to account for AH layback?
I've tried angled hinging with swinging, but find that the "tension" I need to apply to ensure AH and not the HH of the swinger can over-ride and/or interfere with CF.
I'm really trying to get my 130 and in game where it needs to be to get to another level. I thought I might do it by perfecting a hitting action, but I don't think I have the time to be able to master hitting to where I can effectively move from swinging outside of 130 or so to hitting full short irons.
CG
Hk said in the first edition on page 3, first line: “It is difficult and unnecessary to learn both methods, but it is helpful to understand the similarities”.
Cometgolfer,
I’m glad you asked. Two Components need adjusting. Single Wrist Action and Hands To Plane.
10-18-C #1. Single Wrist Action with Horizontal Hinging.
10-18-C is Normal Procedure for Hitters using 10-2-B because together #2 & #3 Release Simultaneously and the Right Elbow is in Punch Position with FLW/BRW.
To Horizontal Hinge the 10-18-C use 10-2-E. 10-2-E is different with 10-18-C than with 10-18-A. At Top, 10-2-E (with 10-18-C) now becomes FLW/BRW so the Right Elbow will be in Pitch Position for Sequenced Release. With 10-18-A, the Right Wrist using 10-2-E will Arch.
The Sequenced Release will be long and smooth so don’t hesitate to increase the #3 Shaft angle for more Endless Belt Action and Heavier Impact if your preferences go that way.
Hk said in the first edition on page 3, first line: “It is difficult and unnecessary to learn both methods, but it is helpful to understand the similarities”.
Cometgolfer,
I’m glad you asked. Two Components need adjusting. Single Wrist Action and Hands To Plane.
10-18-C #1. Single Wrist Action with Horizontal Hinging.
10-18-C is Normal Procedure for Hitters using 10-2-B because together #2 & #3 Release Simultaneously and the Right Elbow is in Punch Position with FLW/BRW.
To Horizontal Hinge the 10-18-C use 10-2-E. 10-2-E is different with 10-18-C than with 10-18-A. At Top, 10-2-E (with 10-18-C) now becomes FLW/BRW so the Right Elbow will be in Pitch Position for Sequenced Release. With 10-18-A, the Right Wrist using 10-2-E will Arch.
The Sequenced Release will be long and smooth so don’t hesitate to increase the #3 Shaft angle for more Endless Belt Action and Heavier Impact if your preferences go that way.
D,
OK... I've been incubating for the last hour or so on this and I think I understand. The "sequenced release" in this case is really nothing but the un-cocking of the FLW as 10-18-C is a left wristcocking only. Any HH is the result of the pivot and the vertical FLW.
OK... I've been incubating for the last hour or so on this and I think I understand. The "sequenced release" in this case is really nothing but the un-cocking of the FLW as 10-18-C is a left wristcocking only. Any HH is the result of the pivot and the vertical FLW.
Sound correct?
CG
Horizontal Hinging is the result of holding the wrist (or something) vertical to the Horizontal Plane.
Hold your left arm out parallel to the ground without a clubswing it out to about 45 degrees from your left shoulder to the left of you . . . now drop it down on an inclined plane . . . looks like it's a roll but it's really just keeping the wrist perpendicular to the horizontal plane BUT on an INCLINED PLANE. That is why it is called DUAL HORIZONTAL HINGING. It's dual because you must have a "strap hinge" to drop the lever on to the Inclined Plane.
Now do the same thing with a club in your hand . . . parallel to the ground then drop it down . . . look at the toe . . .
There used to be a picture out here that Yoda took of Homer swinging a wooden clubhead on a rope . . . so obviously it had to be "true" CF Swinging. As such, CF is aligning BOTH the clubshaft (in this case rope) AND the Clubface. So CF is throwing out the shaft and the Clubface as it turns about the longitudinal center of gravity (sweet spot).
The rub is . . . it is really easy to override CF on the face because it's not that great because the radius about the center of rotation is small (small moment arm I think is the term) . . . so you can hold of CF on the toe. The Shaft however is a different story.
This is why Homer called it Manipulated Hands Swinging. You simply bring your wrist Flat Level and Vertical at any point along the plane line at which you place the ball (ball position) thus overriding CF on the face. With true swinging you leave it all up to CF and there is only ONE straight away ball position . . . if you don't get it in that straight away ball position for that club . . . then you are at the mercy of CF's alignment of the face . . . with manipulated hands swinging YOU pick where you want to be flat level and vertical . . . and thus the formula for draw/fade is the same as for Hitters (back for hook & up for fade).
OK... I've been incubating for the last hour or so on this and I think I understand. The "sequenced release" in this case is really nothing but the un-cocking of the FLW as 10-18-C is a left wristcocking only. Any HH is the result of the pivot and the vertical FLW.
Sound correct?
CG
Sounds good.
The Sequenced Release occurs because the FLW uncocks on Plane while the right Wrist remains palm up as the right arm straightens. The the Wrists Roll into impact by Hinging (CF) not exactly Pivot.
Horizontal Hinging is the result of holding the wrist (or something) vertical to the Horizontal Plane.
Hold your left arm out parallel to the ground without a clubswing it out to about 45 degrees from your left shoulder to the left of you . . . now drop it down on an inclined plane . . . looks like it's a roll but it's really just keeping the wrist perpendicular to the horizontal plane BUT on an INCLINED PLANE. That is why it is called DUAL HORIZONTAL HINGING. It's dual because you must have a "strap hinge" to drop the lever on to the Inclined Plane.
Now do the same thing with a club in your hand . . . parallel to the ground then drop it down . . . look at the toe . . .
There used to be a picture out here that Yoda took of Homer swinging a wooden clubhead on a rope . . . so obviously it had to be "true" CF Swinging. As such, CF is aligning BOTH the clubshaft (in this case rope) AND the Clubface. So CF is throwing out the shaft and the Clubface as it turns about the longitudinal center of gravity (sweet spot).
The rub is . . . it is really easy to override CF on the face because it's not that great because the radius about the center of rotation is small (small moment arm I think is the term) . . . so you can hold of CF on the toe. The Shaft however is a different story.
This is why Homer called it Manipulated Hands Swinging. You simply bring your wrist Flat Level and Vertical at any point along the plane line at which you place the ball (ball position) thus overriding CF on the face. With true swinging you leave it all up to CF and there is only ONE straight away ball position . . . if you don't get it in that straight away ball position for that club . . . then you are at the mercy of CF's alignment of the face . . . with manipulated hands swinging YOU pick where you want to be flat level and vertical . . . and thus the formula for draw/fade is the same as for Hitters (back for hook & up for fade).
Damn! Look at U! Fo-Shizzle!!
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Nice post...B.O.S.H.A.Szzzz! The one about HH, that is. You and Mike O (O standing for "Oh my God Bucket is crazy!") serve it up violating all known rules of decorum and civility! Me lika! TGM + Inane Exchange = Incubation W/Levity which = good time had by all (except those that take themselves too seriously)
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z's for hip-hop emphasis!
Nice post...B.O.S.H.A.Szzzz! The one about HH, that is. You and Mike O (O standing for "Oh my God Bucket is crazy!") serve it up violating all known rules of decorum and civility! Me lika! TGM + Inane Exchange = Incubation W/Levity which = good time had by all (except those that take themselves too seriously)
B.O.S.H.A.S = BLEND OF SECRET HERBS AND SPICES
z's for hip-hop emphasis!
Okie- Just a few comments. First, .34 posts per day? That's pathetic- let's pick it up a little!!! Second- you don't want to do that "O" thingy- "O stands for ... - you're making it way to easy for that grease ball to jump in and humorize himself! Finally, to be grouped in any way with that idiot - I just don't think it is fair. Now I'll give you that "we" can post- but play? Last weekend he shot 124 for 18 holes and I shot 118. Of course, those scores were under the condition of our bet - who could shoot lower with a monkey up his bu..
P.S. Most "normal" strong posters are in the range of 1/3 to 1/2 post a day- look at Daryl - a respectable .49 post per day.
Mike O- .57 posts per day. Bucket 2.23 posts per day- off the richter scale- a clear sign of some serious serious issues!!!
Of course, Lynn gets an exception at 5.14 posts per day- I mean it's his home- he should be posting a lot to set the right kind of example!
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Me lika! 
TGM + Inane Exchange = Incubation W/Levity which = good time had by all (except those that take themselves too seriously) 
Now I'll give you that "we" can post- but play? Last weekend he shot 124 for 18 holes and I shot 118. Of course, those scores were under the condition of our bet - who could shoot lower with a monkey up his bu..
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