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Old 11-27-2007, 08:09 AM
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Nice pictures, KOC. It really helps capture the concept.

Anybody notice the ball position in KOC's picture? I am assuming this was a practice swing, since Hogan always played the ball a half-inch to inch off his left heel, and the ball is way in front of low point in the picture.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:27 AM
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Nice pictures, KOC. It really helps capture the concept.

Anybody notice the ball position in KOC's picture? I am assuming this was a practice swing, since Hogan always played the ball a half-inch to inch off his left heel, and the ball is way in front of low point in the picture.
I think the camera is positioned way to his right -it is not a face-on shot.
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Good post BullDawg! I like it . . .

Go to the top . . . stop . . . start down with your pivot and try to BOUNCE the shaft off of your right shoulder . . . you can get that Hogan look.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:08 PM
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Check the perspective...
Oh Multi-pieced bucket,

Mr. Hogan's club would NEVER bounce on his right shoulder, but instead well outside it. Don't be deceived by face on views. His hinge action and his right foot action are interesting as well!!!


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Who's ec?



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Old 11-29-2007, 11:23 AM
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Really . . . I thought he was in a Turkish prison or something???

Up from the grave he aroooooooose!!!!
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Nice to see him back, must be getting cold in carolina!!!



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Old 11-29-2007, 08:18 PM
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Not as cold as the Cats' record. Good luck to your 'Boys tonight!

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Old 11-30-2007, 08:29 AM
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When I first started using this image I used what felt like a straight line delivery path, meticulous attention to balance and PP3 sensation. The result was (i think - not yet on video) a TSP (turned shoulder plane) non-shifting downswing. There did not seem to be much hip slide, but there was some.

Reviewing this image, I tinkered with moving my hands along different delivery paths, focusing on :-

- maintaining the sense of drag that weight places on the clubhead
- the delivery path of the hands
- remaining in balance

On attempting the 10-23-B delivery path:-

10-23-B. ANGLED LINE
This pattern is used with the Plane Angle Variations that include a shift to (or back to) the Elbow Plane Angle during the Downstroke (10-7).

From the Top-of-the-Straight-Line hand position the Hands take a nearly vertical path to the Plane of the Elbow Plane Angle before they start their drive directly at and through the Aiming Point (2-J-3).


Just by moving my hands vertically down and thinking about nothing else but balance (moving yet staying in balance) the hips slid alot more...the hip slide is a balance driven response to the body doing "essentials" and "imperatives" whilst i consciously move my hands.

Hand-movement controlled pivot.

OK - so i have only done this in slow motion but it does seem to give automatic lower body motion at that speed. But it is balance that drives it.

Try and move your hands vertically down (yet on plane) and consciously DO NOT move your lower body... feels really unbalanced.... you can do it and the sceptics are correct in saying that mere movement of the hands does not force the pivot to move....

...so go back and move your hands in the same manner but let your body "do balance"...and the hips HAVE TO slide.... so mere hand movement in the context of the essentials ( and that includes balance...moving whatever it is allowed to move to stay in balance...the constraints of the essentials means that you have programmed it to move the head as little as possible...so it moves something else....pivot)

So it seems to me...

Remember this is the LAB section so please do not take this as the truth...just things to tinker with... a few ideas form the incubator that need airing...see what others say... Thanks for reading...sorry if i wasted your time!
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:45 AM
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When I first started using this image I used what felt like a straight line delivery path, meticulous attention to balance and PP3 sensation. The result was (i think - not yet on video) a TSP (turned shoulder plane) non-shifting downswing. There did not seem to be much hip slide, but there was some.

Reviewing this image, I tinkered with moving my hands along different delivery paths, focusing on :-

- maintaining the sense of drag that weight places on the clubhead
- the delivery path of the hands
- remaining in balance

On attempting the 10-23-B delivery path:-

10-23-B. ANGLED LINE
This pattern is used with the Plane Angle Variations that include a shift to (or back to) the Elbow Plane Angle during the Downstroke (10-7).

From the Top-of-the-Straight-Line hand position the Hands take a nearly vertical path to the Plane of the Elbow Plane Angle before they start their drive directly at and through the Aiming Point (2-J-3).


Just by moving my hands vertically down and thinking about nothing else but balance (moving yet staying in balance) the hips slid alot more...the hip slide is a balance driven response to the body doing "essentials" and "imperatives" whilst i consciously move my hands.

Hand-movement controlled pivot.

OK - so i have only done this in slow motion but it does seem to give automatic lower body motion at that speed. But it is balance that drives it.

Try and move your hands vertically down (yet on plane) and consciously DO NOT move your lower body... feels really unbalanced.... you can do it and the sceptics are correct in saying that mere movement of the hands does not force the pivot to move....

...so go back and move your hands in the same manner but let your body "do balance"...and the hips HAVE TO slide.... so mere hand movement in the context of the essentials ( and that includes balance...moving whatever it is allowed to move to stay in balance...the constraints of the essentials means that you have programmed it to move the head as little as possible...so it moves something else....pivot)

So it seems to me...

Remember this is the LAB section so please do not take this as the truth...just things to tinker with... a few ideas form the incubator that need airing...see what others say... Thanks for reading...sorry if i wasted your time!

Dawg you are ON FIRE . . . what you are showing/demoing/doing is accelerating the club "lenghtwise" . . . LONGITUDINAL ACCELERATION . . . these images are VERY good. The whole body (Massive Rotor) is PULLING the DEAD WEIGHT INERTIA of the SWEETSPOT . . . LONGITUDINAL CENTER OF GRAVITY . . .

VERY NICE WORK.
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