so it is correct to say that the straight line thrust(straight line delivery path) of pp#3 is STRAIGHT LINE to the BALL and NOT straight line to the HAND LOCATION AT IMPACT ?
or more simply, does every STRAIGHT LINE delivery path go to the BALL and NOT IN FRONT OF THE BALL ?
Well . . . I would say that Straight Line Delivery Path is to the Aiming Point which could be the Ball, infront of the ball, or behind the ball. All would be somewhere on the selected Delivery Line. The Clubhead seeks out the Delivery Line not the Target Line. But the effort is Straight Line DOWN AND THROUGH regardless of location of Aiming Point or Pulley Diameter.
4-D-1 Says it all . . . the best way to wreck the 1st Imperative . . .
Driving the Clubhead toward the Green (Steering), instead of toward the Ball (2-P), is the great disrupter of the Flat Left Wrist.
I think that any focus on the clubhead and movement, is probably one of the major reasons for poor golf shots.
Homer was't the first to recognize this, his concept of 'educated hands' coupled with several other TGM principles are all pointed at 'stop trying to position the clubhead', 'stop swinging the clubhead', etc.
Thrust is always down and out, the forward direction is a function of pivot(including shoulder turn).
The Axe Handle and Rope Handle IMO really sums it up. Put that on the Inclined Plane and what do have? A golf stroke?
Although the focus may be on the ball or a point in front or behind the ball, Thrust must always be through, past the point of focus, this includes if one is attempting to drive to the hands location.
The Axe Handle and Rope Handle IMO really sums it up. Put that on the Inclined Plane and what do have? A golf stroke?
Although the focus may be on the ball or a point in front or behind the ball, Thrust must always be through, past the point of focus, this includes if one is attempting to drive to the hands location.
Absolutely - I often find it quite helpful to focus on a spot on the ground well ahead of the ball and try to send my hands 'through' their impact location - DOWN to that spot. Especially helpful for the short irons.
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this thing is hard to screw up. these are pretty hard questions.
are you equating aiming point only with the hand location at impact ? i thought it was the release point with an arc to get the hands to their impact location.
my questions i think are more than theoretical. in a precision system with a hands controlling pivot procedure, this straight line question seems to have important implications.
the picture 9-3-10 IMPACT shows what i mean. there is a huge difference between a straight line path from the top to the ball OR a straight line path from the top to where the hands are at impact in this picture. maybe this is a picture of an aiming point behind the ball.
but look at the picture of 10-24-e # 1 and 10-24-e # 2. the hands are in front of the ball, they have not released, they have hit the arc at the bottom of the straight line, and they are depicted as going down the straight line to the BALL.
is this a "straight line thrust of pp#3 PER 1-L-9" in 6-
c-2-a ?
or we might ask this question about the STRAIGHT LINE DELIVERY PATH & AIMING POINT: which picture depicts this question best the straight line path of 10-24-e #1 & 2 or the purely mechanical picture of the endless belt effect in 2-k-#6 ?
Bossman,
We are mixing our concepts here . . . these are 3 distinct but somewhat related topics.
1. Aiming Point
2. Impact Hand Location
3. Endless Belt
Study 6-E-2 in this regard plus 2-K. If you don't have the 7th Edition you NEED IT. Mr. K expands considerably upon the Endless Belt. Personally I think it is one of the major improvements that make the 7th a "top 3" of all editions (3 and 5 being the others).
I'm going to type what I think is relevant in 6-E-2 for you because I think paying attention to it will also help me. Most of this is the additional part added to the 7th.
6-E-2 THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT The hands and the clubhead combine as Clubhead Lag (5-0, 6-C) and can be utilized to execute "Delivery". . . and the difference in travel distance per degree of Angualar Motion becaus Impact always occurs during the "Pulley" portion of the Endless Belt travel (sketch 2-K #6); regardless of the direction of its Straight Line travel between pulleys (or of the Thrust during the Circle Path 7-23); because both of those lines represent the True Delivery Paths and move - physically - directly at the point on the Ball through wihc the Angle of Approach passes even with Aiming Point procedures; because The Machine delivers the #3 Pressure Point to Impact Fix Hand Location AT IMPACT with all Delivery Paths, Delivery Lines, Pulley Sizes, etc. because its structure is designed to do just that; hence the importance of a sturdy structure around the Endless Belt machinery. That is what makes the Aiming Point procedure possible at all. . . . .
Remember the "identities" of those elements of Release. That is - straight line portion of the Endless Belt locates the required Aiming Point AND VICE VERSA. But it DOES NOT dictate the Endless Belt (Hand) speed AND VICE VERSA. Summing up the Right Arm action - it is always a straight line effort and/or motion and normally, is strictly Clubhead Control. In the meantime the Flat Left Wrist (Clubface Control) under every condition or situation is concerned only with arriving at Impact, Vertical to the ground in the process of executing the selected Hinge Action. So, per 1-F the Hands are correlated independent of every other factor. Practice every phase, over and over until mastered.
So what the hell does this mean? Well it means a lot . . . if you can get this you got a lot of the book licked.
AIMING POINT:
Aiming Point is a point on the selected DELIVERY LINE (Plane Line, Arc or Angle of Approach) at which THRUST is directed DOWN and THRU. The Straight Line Portion of the Endless Belt LOCATES the Aiming Point (so it Points at it).
ENDLESS BELT:
Is concerned with the Hands, their Pressure Points and the ULTIMATE DISMISSAL of the CLUBHEAD. You do not HAVE A CLUBHEAD. You have PRESSURE IN YOUR HANDS. And you are to take your hands and their loaded pressure DOWNPLANE DOWN THE STRAIGHT LINE PORTION of the Endless Belt mechanism down and thru the Aiming Point. Your Hands are the Clubhead AND they are the BELT. The Endless Belt is concerned with CLUBHEAD control and Delivery NOT Clubface control. That is the relm of the Left Hand (Left Hand: Alignments and ClubFACE Right Hand: Acceleration and ClubHEAD).
IMPACT HAND LOCATION:
This differs from Aiming Point. The Impact Hand Location is "located" during Fix (over the left toe). The Machine ALWAYS EVERY TIME NO MATTER WHAT LINE, PROCEDURE, DELIVERY selected is designed to produce the IMPACT FIX HAND LOCATION AT IMPACT . . . and the ULTIMATE CONCERN (back to the 1st Imperative) is to DELIVER A FLAT LEFT WRIST (or its equivalent) VERTICAL TO THE GROUND AT IMPACT while executing the Hinge Action. Back to the Endless Belt per above Impact ALWAYS occurs during the Pulley portion of the Belt . . . but the effort is still a straight line effort.
So to me The Belt is there . . . if you chose to use the straight line portion and have a small pulley diameter you are jacking your PHYSICS up a few notches. But you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS want your Left Wrist Flat at Impact . . . no matter what even if you choose to stand upon your HEAD.
As far as the pictures you have selected . . . the pic in Chapter 9 I would say is a result of a LARGER PULLEY where as the pics in 10-24-E are actually there to illustrate the Snap Release. The text of that section references Aiming Point which is for executing a Snap Release which of course blends with Automatic Release . . . Here's some new stuff in 6-N-0 of the 7th that I think is relevant:
The smaller the Release Arc (Endless Belt Pulley - constant Hand Speed), the faster the Right Elbow must straighten and the faster there will be "Extension" (Lever Assemblies 2-P) and "Overtaking" (6-F, #3 Accumulator) until the Right Arm becomes straight. All without affecting The Travel Rate of the Endless Belt.
So the pics in 10-24-E you are seeing Max Trigger Delay and the smaller Pulley Diameter which is why you observe the difference in the chapter 9 pics. IMO.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 09-26-2006 at 10:26 PM.
Thanks Pokechop! I think the Flail and the Endless Belt are BETTER than the Imperatives. Well maybe not . . . The only thing missing is Hinge Action. Of course that is a pretty big "only thing." Homer Kelley was a PURE genius.
Couldn't have made that post if it weren't for LBG . . . I'd still be stompin' around the golf course with my fanger up my nose . . . wait a minute . . .
4-D-1 Says it all . . . the best way to wreck the 1st Imperative . . .
Driving the Clubhead toward the Green (Steering), instead of toward the Ball (2-P), is the great disrupter of the Flat Left Wrist.
Unless, of course, you're a genius like Lee Trevino. He basically set his body way left and swung out to the right with his ball positioned so that the delivery line, the ball and the target line all lay more or less on the same straignt line. Then he could swing the clubhead toward the target with impunity and never break down the left wrist.
so it sounds as if we are in agreement ! i realize this is a smaller pulley, i realize the aiming point is on the delivery path, i realize that you are trying to get the hands to their impact location while maintaining the necessary aligments, etc.
but my question is, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN (and maybe you answered it), is the PICTUIRE 10-24-e #1& 2, AND/OR ALL OTHER PICTURES OF THE STRAIGHT LINE PATH CORRECT in that the STRAIGHT LINE DELIVERY PATH IS STRAIGHT TO THE BALL!!!! OR SHOULD THE STRAIGHT LINE BE DIRECTED AT SOME OTHER POINT!!!
Depends . . . you got options . . . Ball OR Aiming Point . . . least that's what I think.
Note in the quote Mr. K says "That is - straight line portion of the Endless Belt locates the required Aiming Point AND VICE VERSA." And the Aiming Point COULD BE . . . the Ball.
Thanks for this thread--I even printed it out-- and have read it several times. You have definitely clarified some of the more esoteric concepts of TGM for me.
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