Does the Spine Angle stay the same throughout the entire motion of a Full Stroke ?

[golf2much]

Im sitting back and enjoying what anakin has got to say.

Even though im not actively interacting, im following it

What are you doing over here... you need to be back in the lab keeping us all stimulated.

G2M

[Mathew]

What are you doing over here... you need to be back in the lab keeping us all stimulated.

G2M

All work and no play makes Mathew a dull boy..lol

[annikan skywalker]

Where am I?...A Deserted Island...Let's go people...open your eyes and your mind it's time to start learning to LOOK...LOOK...LOOK...

At one time in your life TGM was difficult to understand ONLY because of its language...Same here...This language I'm using IS "universal" in Academia...

[lagster]

[quote=annikan skywalker]Lagster....Now I'm smellin what you're steppin in!


You are absolutely correct here....Many golfers and golf professionals confuse the "Inclination of the Torso" as ...."THE SPINE ANGLE"...Huge mistake..HUGE!!!....I'd agree that while there should be no bobbing or swaying the "Inclination of the Torso" stays relatively stable for a relatively straight shot...

This is the "Inclination of the Torso"



It's not a matter of semantics...because the spine is not located where these markers and these planes intersect...

Very Important...Notice Above...the Neck(Cervical Spine) is moderately flexed forward .....



Contrary look below...



Is the Neck still flexed forward or is it really beginning to lateral bend to the right?

How about the upper torso?...LOOK....LOOK...LOOK!!!

Is Sam still in his waist bend or was the axis of rotation replaced by another axis of rotation and his torso is now rotating, extending and lateral bending?

BTW ...Yes the "Inclination of the Torso" is somewhat sustained...
BUT there are some serious changes going on....STUDY THE SEGMENT ANGLES!!![/QUOTE

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If you draw a line from the left ankle to the left ear... THIS ANGLE is maintained to this point(same here as at Address).

[yippedagain]

Address -
Digitised Sams' Left Leg has 21-22 degrees of Flexion

Torso - Thigh angle is 131 degrees

Follow Through -
Digitised Sams' Left Leg has 2 degrees of Flexion (18 degrees Extension from Address.)

Left Torso - Thigh angle is 152 degrees ( 21 Degrees Extension from Address)

Does this mean that not only has there been Lateral lumbar( or whole spine) flexion to the right, but that the Pelvis, Sacral and Lumbar regions are rotating and extending upwards. Or did you just say that?.

Used degrees here, sorry. Slight, Moderate, Extreme. 10,20,30 no?.

Need to get me one of them Odiometer thingies!.

[annikan skywalker]

Leighton Flexometer or a goniometer?

[annikan skywalker]

Is the pelvis at the same angle that it was at address?
Lower Back?
Upper Back?
Neck?



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Looks like the axis of rotation has changed and is now moving with a combination of counter-clockwise rotation, slight lateral bending and extension !!!

How can this be possible??????

Yes hip slide changes the Axis Tilt in one plane but how about the other 2 planes?....

How does it affect the 4 segments of the spine?

Wouldn't the FLAT Shoulder Turn versus the Rotated Shoulder Turn have different affects on the 4 segments of the spine?

[annikan skywalker]

This might help us all..learn 6 very simple movements in 3 different planes...




Let's go from easiest to most difficult...

#1 Let's visualize ourselves as "revolving doors" that can rotate:

A. Clockwise
B. Counter-Clockwise
What is the Axis of Rotation?

#2 Let's all bend

C. Forward( and bow to your partner)
D. Extend (and back up to do se do)
What is the Axis of Rotation?

#3 Lets do side bends and situps but baby don't lose that butt(For Bucket Only)

E. Side Bend to the Right
F. Side Bend to the Left
What is the axis of rotation?

Now take all 4 sections and move in these here directions?


Then go back to a golf stroke and look through that tint of a looking glass!!!!

PS. The answers to the questions concerning axis of rotation are in the little print under the picture?

[yippedagain]

All 4 segments change. Pretty dramatically. There would also be big differences in their motion if using a Flat or Rotated Shoulder Turn.
But he77 man, the language has changed again!. The anteroposterior axis is now a Z. Does make it easier.
Think I am drifting your way but it will take a little time. Need to incubate a few things.
Para un Campesino, este es muy muy, complicado!.
Hasta Luego!.

[yippedagain]

OK Boss. Is this anything remotely like what you are looking for ?.
Sample, testing testing. Only Sacral motion. 3 positions.

Sacral - Address - Moderate / X axis (Flexion)

Slight / Z axis (Lateral Bend to right)

Top - Extreme / Y axis ( Rotation clockwise)

Moderate / X axis

Slight / Z axis right

Impact/
Follow Through - Extreme / Y axis ( Counterclockwise)

Moderate / X axis

Slight / Z axis right.

The spine is a snake and he is rotating around me, not the other way round.