I remember Mr. Kelley talking about the PLASTIC PLANE he built... the one in the book. He said something like... "You won't believe what it feels like, until you get into that Plane." He advised building one for yourself.
If, however, you are not having a problem with PLANE, and maybe have an unusual, but effective shift, for example, the PLASTIC PLANE may better be left alone.
thanks guys
and a question about the rfp,
do you try and keep your right elbow close to your side in the beggining of it so your right elbow bends, or do you just let it fly. In the RFP it feels like no club face rotation
Hmm? I sense confusion. Answer a question. It's not a trick question so don't get paranoid. It's also multiple choice.
First, get into adjusted address. Now stand straight up with arms parallel to the floor. Next, do a RFT but DO NOT move your shoulders. Here comes the question. How far to the right did your left arm/hand travel across your chest?
Hmm? I sense confusion. Answer a question. It's not a trick question so don't get paranoid. It's also multiple choice.
First, get into adjusted address. Now stand straight up with arms parallel to the floor. Next, do a RFT but DO NOT move your shoulders. Here comes the question. How far to the right did your left arm/hand travel across your chest?
No one answer except shootin4par.
A. 9"
B. 18"
C. 24"
D. 30"
I will say B
the left hand is about 18 inches away from center and the left arm is at about a 20* angle
I will say B
the left hand is about 18 inches away from center and the left arm is at about a 20* angle
I was afraid of that (now I have to write this long answer ), but the answer is A. This may be the root of your issue about keeping the Clubshaft On-Plane during the backswing. Your power Package has move away from an "in front" of body position. You have a broken Triangle. Substitute your right arm for a towel placed in your left arm pit at one end and held in your right hand at address position in the other with the towel pulled taught. Keep pulling on the towel while testing how far you can move your right hand away from center. How far can you move your right hand now?
Swingers version of the RFT.
Notice, from an Adjusted Address position and without a Club, that you can move your hands (pretend you're gripping a Club) to the right almost any distances identified in the answers A through D (without Extensor Action). Also, keep in mind that you can create almost any Path away from the ball. You can move your hands away in front of you or pull them behind you or make them go straight back away from you. And, you can make them travel Backward, Inward and Upward simultaneously. However, the RFT is a special way.
To get the feel and visually see the procedure you'll need a chair (like a folding chair) that has a back about as high as your hips. Stand behind the chair and assume an Adjusted Address posture (without a club) so that the butt end of your Left Hand lies on the face of the chair back. Using light Extensor Action pressure (#1 PP), push down gently so that your Left Wrist Flattens and your Right Wrist Bends. If your Left Wrist Arches slightly, then you're pushing in the wrong direction. Push gently down in the direction of your left arm. Once you accomplish the Flat Left Wrist, then Turn your hands a little to the right without letting the butt end of the Left Hand come off the back of the chair back (it will rock to the right and stay on the back of the chair). So the back of the right hand needs to move a little toward the back of the chair as you rotate. It's only a slight rotation. If you had a Club in your hands the Clubhead would only have traveled about two feet and the Clubshaft still points toward the base line of the inclined plane.
Next, slide your hands to the right a few more inches while continuing to turn your hands until your hands are in the line of sight to your right foot. Because your hands are simultaneously moving and Turning slightly to the right, they appear to only turn slightly more. That's the RFT. You have structure. Your right forearm has become fanned opened. You reestablished the flying wedges and turned your hands.
At this point, the end of the RFT you should have created enough structure so that any further motion will start your shoulders to turn. Continue to the Top or End, whichever is your procedure and you should have accomplished a TSP.
But, and this is the TGM fun part, the RFT should be accomplished with Extensor Action alone. Train you extensor action to complete this procedure in one simple move integrated seamlessly into the backswing.
sorry that you had to type all that, but I appreciate it I seems as extensor action is the missing ingrediant, you probably could have gotten away with posting that I try it again with some extensor action and report back again. once again thanks.
but no one has seemed to touch the no club face rotation question?
sorry that you had to type all that, but I appreciate it I seems as extensor action is the missing ingrediant, you probably could have gotten away with posting that I try it again with some extensor action and report back again. once again thanks.
but no one has seemed to touch the no club face rotation question?
but no one has seemed to touch the no club face rotation question?
I'm real new to TGM, in fact just finished the little yellow book. I'm experimenting with the RFT and I also noticed a lack of face rotation in s the start up. Feels like I'm holding it square to target or hooding. This is really different for me cuz I've always done the old one piece takeaway with focus on the shoulders.
Further to this, Homer mentions "fanning" but I'm not certain of the motion he's describing, during start-up or down swing?
Found it in the archives, yet I'm still foggy. When I start up I feel like I can trace the plane line to parallel but the face is closed.
"The Fanning of the Right Forearm occurs during Start Up for both Punch and Pitch Basic Strokes. There is no Fanning with Push Basic"
CW
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I'm real new to TGM, in fact just finished the little yellow book. I'm experimenting with the RFT and I also noticed a lack of face rotation in s the start up. Feels like I'm holding it square to target or hooding. This is really different for me cuz I've always done the old one piece takeaway with focus on the shoulders.
Further to this, Homer mentions "fanning" but I'm not certain of the motion he's describing, during start-up or down swing?
Found it in the archives, yet I'm still foggy. When I start up I feel like I can trace the plane line to parallel but the face is closed.
"The Fanning of the Right Forearm occurs during Start Up for both Punch and Pitch Basic Strokes. There is no Fanning with Push Basic"
Millrat,
I am also new to TGM but I try to pay attention to detail...especially in the AMAZING videos that we are lucky enough to have here at LynnBlakeGolf.com. One thing I can recall, which is relavent to your question, is from video #2 with Yoda and Jeff Hull. About 9 minutes in, just before the cows interrupt Yoda as he is dispensing his priceless basic motion knowledge he is actually demonstates this right forearm fanning.
You probably have the video...if not download it, and get the answer you seek from Yoda himself. The best source possible on the planet Earth.
When I was on the golf course today I found this right forearm fanning motion very useful as the end of my backswing for short pitch shots. It also was an integral part of my backswing on the very best full swings that I had.
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I was afraid of that (now I have to write this long answer ), but the answer is A. This may be the root of your issue about keeping the Clubshaft On-Plane during the backswing. Your power Package has move away from an "in front" of body position. You have a broken Triangle. Substitute your right arm for a towel placed in your left arm pit at one end and held in your right hand at address position in the other with the towel pulled taught. Keep pulling on the towel while testing how far you can move your right hand away from center. How far can you move your right hand now?
Swingers version of the RFT.
Notice, from an Adjusted Address position and without a Club, that you can move your hands (pretend you're gripping a Club) to the right almost any distances identified in the answers A through D (without Extensor Action). Also, keep in mind that you can create almost any Path away from the ball. You can move your hands away in front of you or pull them behind you or make them go straight back away from you. And, you can make them travel Backward, Inward and Upward simultaneously. However, the RFT is a special way.
To get the feel and visually see the procedure you'll need a chair (like a folding chair) that has a back about as high as your hips. Stand behind the chair and assume an Adjusted Address posture (without a club) so that the butt end of your Left Hand lies on the face of the chair back. Using light Extensor Action pressure (#1 PP), push down gently so that your Left Wrist Flattens and your Right Wrist Bends. If your Left Wrist Arches slightly, then you're pushing in the wrong direction. Push gently down in the direction of your left arm. Once you accomplish the Flat Left Wrist, then Turn your hands a little to the right without letting the butt end of the Left Hand come off the back of the chair back (it will rock to the right and stay on the back of the chair). So the back of the right hand needs to move a little toward the back of the chair as you rotate. It's only a slight rotation. If you had a Club in your hands the Clubhead would only have traveled about two feet and the Clubshaft still points toward the base line of the inclined plane.
Next, slide your hands to the right a few more inches while continuing to turn your hands until your hands are in the line of sight to your right foot. Because your hands are simultaneously moving and Turning slightly to the right, they appear to only turn slightly more. That's the RFT. You have structure. Your right forearm has become fanned opened. You reestablished the flying wedges and turned your hands.
At this point, the end of the RFT you should have created enough structure so that any further motion will start your shoulders to turn. Continue to the Top or End, whichever is your procedure and you should have accomplished a TSP.
But, and this is the TGM fun part, the RFT should be accomplished with Extensor Action alone. Train you extensor action to complete this procedure in one simple move integrated seamlessly into the backswing.
You typed it - so least I could do was to quote it again - it really seems to make sense so it is worth repeating! - thanks Daryl.
I am not quite sure where i am with the chair bit... but the correct direction for pp1 and using pressure points and extensor action seems to work. Thanks.
), but the answer is A. This may be the root of your issue about keeping the Clubshaft On-Plane during the backswing. Your power Package has move away from an "in front" of body position. You have a broken Triangle. Substitute your right arm for a towel placed in your left arm pit at one end and held in your right hand at address position in the other with the towel pulled taught. Keep pulling on the towel while testing how far you can move your right hand away from center. How far can you move your right hand now? 
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