I had once posted here or somewhere else regarding my take on hitting down or up. Everyone references the ground and clubhead path.
I contend that you can be hitting down with regrard to your power applied and yet in reference to the ground it would appear because of the clubhead path's that you are hitting up. My focus was on the Right Shoulder path, still moving down and foward assuming you have your wedges in tact.
IMO drawing lines and applying definitions with out the understanding of the reference used in the definitions can lead to suspect conclusions.
Take the standard definition of Low Point, left shoulder, arm vertical line down to define it on or below the ground. Now does this require the shoulders to be square to the clubhead plane line? If the shoulders were open does this change it anyway, the definition and location? Does Axis Tilt impact it, assuming no sway? And there are more questions. Is it convenient to define low point to the ground, even if you have an uphill or downhill lie? If low point is truly the full extension of the swing radius, then I would think position of the shoulders, rotation and tilt, will change this point.
Though it may be projected to the ground, isn't the real purpose in defining low point is for location of the ball such that it is at or behind low point so the applied force will be down and through vs having an upward motion characteristic where applied power will no longer be accelerating?
If we had an overhead view of the golfer in question, and applied traditional definitions as seen in the lines, what would we see in regards to the Impact Line and Low Point Line? What would be the clubhead orbit? As it is being defined it would appear that the clubhead orbit would be from out to in since we would have to pass over the low point to reach the impact point. (The Impact Plane Line is always parallel to the Low Point Plane Line on the Sweet Spot Plane. They can be one of the same lines when the ball is located at low point, else the Impact Plane Line is aways between the golfer and the Low Point Plane Line.)
I think that he is driving down and out or has the ball at the true Low Point Location.
I shall hang on to this picture, makes for good notes in my study of the lines, angles and analysis of video and pictures.
I think your second picture is at an angle the right side closer to the camera than left.
Again, the more I see these lines applied for analysis the more I begin to believe that they are mis-applied.
Is this something that needs "fixing?" Or do you leave it be?
Thanks!
B
His goal is to drive the ball as far as he can and as consistently as possible. I'm pretty sure it depends on conditions on the particular day also. You're going to have to ask David Mobley himself. Bear in mind these launch monitor geeks tell me you can get lower spin rates and better trajectories when the Clubhead is going up during Impact.
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Last edited by tongzilla : 02-21-2006 at 10:08 AM.
Again, the more I see these lines applied for analysis the more I begin to believe that they are mis-applied.
Martee,
That's great -- I'd love to learn more about drawing lines. So may you please demonstrate how you would do it on the same pictures? Of course, a complementary analysis and explanation would also be helpful.
His goal is to drive the ball as far as he can and as consistently as possible. I'm pretty sure it depends on conditions on the particular day also. You're going to have to ask David Mobley himself. Bear in mind these launch monitor geeks tell me you can get lower spin rates and better trajectories when the Clubhead is going up during Impact.
Tong,
Interesting thread and pics. Are these guys REALLY going for consistency or are they looking for that 1 "bomb"? I recall watching a former LD champ launch some while standing a few feet away. The speed, sound, and power doesn't come across on TV. Of course neither does the wildness of some of the misses.
Great Point CG...Most ( Not All) guys that have the Left Wrist as the Fulcrum and that far forward are very inconsistent as far as drving accuracy...But what the hell....if you can hit it that far...just finding it between the trees is accurate enough...
Par 4 450 yards
PlayerA - Tee shot 350 yards Approach 100 yards from the rough
PlayerB - Tee shot 250 yards straight down the middle of the fairway with a 200 yard approach....
I think everyone here would tend to go with A...it's all...probability.....
Once I convinced an Anonymous Tour Player of this "tremendous asset" he started to dominate the Hooters Tour and has since moved up to the Nationwide Tour as a result of this change in perspective....
Great Point CG...Most ( Not All) guys that have the Left Wrist as the Fulcrum and that far forward are very inconsistent as far as drving accuracy...But what the hell....if you can hit it that far...just finding it between the trees is accurate enough...
Par 4 450 yards
PlayerA - Tee shot 350 yards Approach 100 yards from the rough
PlayerB - Tee shot 250 yards straight down the middle of the fairway with a 200 yard approach....
I think everyone here would tend to go with A...it's all...probability.....
Once I convinced an Anonymous Tour Player of this "tremendous asset" he started to dominate the Hooters Tour and has since moved up to the Nationwide Tour as a result of this change in perspective....
Prime Minister of Chapter 10,
If somebody came to you looking like that at Impact, and they were trying to SCORE better vs. punish it, would you fix it or leave it be?
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