I really enjoyed the video. From my point of view I could not see anything in this tape that is what I am trying to do as a hitting action. The description as others have noted other than the magic of forearm is the crocker hitting motion. The description was entirely right arm based and he even mentioned the pushing of the right arm on the downswing and the pivot just a reaction to the right arm throwing motion. If I am wrong please correct me since I am trying to hit doing all the things he says in the video and some people feel he is describing swinging without talking about the left arm once and a pulling action.
I really enjoyed the video. From my point of view I could not see anything in this tape that is what I am trying to do as a hitting action. The description as others have noted other than the magic of forearm is the crocker hitting motion. The description was entirely right arm based and he even mentioned the pushing of the right arm on the downswing and the pivot just a reaction to the right arm throwing motion. If I am wrong please correct me since I am trying to hit doing all the things he says in the video and some people feel he is describing swinging without talking about the left arm once and a pulling action.
Dave
The first tip-off that he is not Hitting is that he uses standard wrist action by turning and cocking the left wrist. Were he to thrust PP #3 downplane with the right tricep, he would shank the ball, since the sweetspot is behind the hosel.
The first tip-off that he is not Hitting is that he uses standard wrist action by turning and cocking the left wrist. Were he to thrust PP #3 downplane with the right tricep, he would shank the ball, since the sweetspot is behind the hosel.
Although he doe not mention that he is turning the forearm he does say he cocks the wrists (both maybe a mistake) by folding the right elbow which also would rotate the forearms. How do you explain him saying that he pushes with the right arm and drops the club and the pivot is a result of this down and out motion. I thought in a swing the pivot with the left arm pulls the club through.Where in the video is the left arm mentioned?
Could it not be a hit with a horizontal hinge/sequenced release?
That said, there seems to be centrifugal force in this swing. Having tried it (and liked it!) after viewing the video, it seems that while accumulator 2 is released non-automatically from the top, accumulator 3 is released automatically (in sequence, once 2 is almost all gone). It felt to me like force was generated from the top quite quickly, and then as the roll kicked in automatically, and the clubhead was thrown out, the body picked up the rhythm and turned through with the club - to me it felt like pivot power at this point, but it is probably more just a motion, as it didn't feel like there was any dragging involved. Once acc. 3/centrifugal force kicked in, it just felt like holding on.
It certainly seems like a simple motion - it made me smile
I just cannot believe that this kind of advice is getting such praise and that the knowledgeable instructors on this forum, who have surely seen this video, are saying NOTHING!
Tomasello is not only advising an independent arm effort from the top, but a deliberate uncocking of the wrists to boot. He is recommending 6-D-1 and 6-D-2, two of the pitfalls which produce THROW AWAY. And to make matters worse, he says that these are done BEFORE the pivot, which he claims is a reaction to these movements.
Joe,
The knowledgeable instructors are probably not saying anything because the golf stroke Tomasello is teaching is ANOTHER VALID WAY to swing a golf club....A golf swing that produces desirable results...long and straight shots.
GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?
Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling fractionally as it descends.
I believe your comments about 6-D-1 and 6-D-2 are incorrect...(6-D-1) Tomasello is not throwing the club from the top with his wrists, the throwing action is triggered with the right forearm NOT THE WRISTS (watch the second video of this series again and key in at the point where Tomasello talks about high speed cameras and illusions, the answer is in that segment). (6-D-2) With a stroke pattern that employs right arm acceleration you must release the club through one of the release points....sweep, random or snap or you will generate a low sustain acceleration of the lever assemblies which in turn creates excessive hand speed and clubhead throwaway. I believe you think the stroke Tomasello is using will cause excessive hand speed...no true...it will produce the players MAXIMUM HAND SPEED through impact, not low sustained acceleration up to the point of impact.
I just cannot believe that this kind of advice is getting such praise and that the knowledgeable instructors on this forum, who have surely seen this video, are saying NOTHING!
Tomasello is not only advising an independent arm effort from the top, but a deliberate uncocking of the wrists to boot. He is recommending 6-D-1 and 6-D-2, two of the pitfalls which produce THROW AWAY. And to make matters worse, he says that these are done BEFORE the pivot, which he claims is a reaction to these movements.
Joe,
I've certainly had reservations about commenting on this video for several reasons, but in fairness to those new to TGM, I feel a responsibility to respond. I am having difficulty in reconciling what I want to say in deference to the legacy that Tom has left us all. But, here goes...
In this video, we see a Tom Tomasello of certain compromised and diminished capacities. The true "illusions" that I see are reflected in Tom's "feels" versus what is actually happening. There are many issues with semantics evident, but every molecule of my being "knows" that Tom knew the feeling of properly executed procedure(s). What we see him describing is a circle path delivery, definitely a swinging procedure (absolutely no right arm swing), but when he executes at his full speed, you see a straight line delivery path, pitch basic stroke (ABSOLUTELY no PUSH basic as he says), and tremendous full lever extension; and, oh yeah, wonderful rhythm compatible with the travel time of horizontal hinging.
His narrative and his full speed motion are completely at odds with each other.
What he does leave us with, is a wonderful swinging motion completely subserviant to centrifugal force. The full lever extension,sequenced release, left wrist going from cocked, to level, to uncocked, and the right wrist going from level to uncocked are textbook. The Law of the Flail, rhythm, definition of keeping the club on plane, the Flying Wedges, the three imperatives are ALL here! Pay heed all of you swingers! Thanks Tom for all of your enthusiasm, devotion, and your wonderfully infectious manner.
I've certainly had reservations about commenting on this video for several reasons, but in fairness to those new to TGM, I feel a responsibility to respond. I am having difficulty in reconciling what I want to say in deference to the legacy that Tom has left us all. But, here goes...
In this video, we see a Tom Tomasello of certain compromised and diminished capacities. The true "illusions" that I see are reflected in Tom's "feels" versus what is actually happening. There are many issues with semantics evident, but every molecule of my being "knows" that Tom knew the feeling of properly executed procedure(s). What we see him describing is a circle path delivery, definitely a swinging procedure (absolutely no right arm swing), but when he executes at his full speed, you see a straight line delivery path, pitch basic stroke (ABSOLUTELY no PUSH basic as he says), and tremendous full lever extension; and, oh yeah, wonderful rhythm compatible with the travel time of horizontal hinging.
His narrative and his full speed motion are completely at odds with each other.
What he does leave us with, is a wonderful swinging motion completely subserviant to centrifugal force. The full lever extension,sequenced release, left wrist going from cocked, to level, to uncocked, and the right wrist going from level to uncocked are textbook. The Law of the Flail, rhythm, definition of keeping the club on plane, the Flying Wedges, the three imperatives are ALL here! Pay heed all of you swingers! Thanks Tom for all of your enthusiasm, devotion, and your wonderfully infectious manner.
EC
The interesting fact is Tomasello's swing is ALL RIGHT ARM SWING (with the correct right arm motion). Don't let the above comments stir you from experiencing this stroke pattern. It works...I believe there are deeper issues at work here...it goes beyond golf stroke mechanics.
With this stroke pattern....the left wrist is uncocked by centrifugal force...the Push Stroke comment from Tomasello is in reference to a controlling right forearm that is not dependent on hip motion...the hips are responding not leading.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 10-20-2005 at 10:02 PM.
I've certainly had reservations about commenting on this video for several reasons, but in fairness to those new to TGM, I feel a responsibility to respond. I am having difficulty in reconciling what I want to say in deference to the legacy that Tom has left us all. But, here goes...
In this video, we see a Tom Tomasello of certain compromised and diminished capacities. The true "illusions" that I see are reflected in Tom's "feels" versus what is actually happening. There are many issues with semantics evident, but every molecule of my being "knows" that Tom knew the feeling of properly executed procedure(s). What we see him describing is a circle path delivery, definitely a swinging procedure (absolutely no right arm swing), but when he executes at his full speed, you see a straight line delivery path, pitch basic stroke (ABSOLUTELY no PUSH basic as he says), and tremendous full lever extension; and, oh yeah, wonderful rhythm compatible with the travel time of horizontal hinging.
His narrative and his full speed motion are completely at odds with each other.
What he does leave us with, is a wonderful swinging motion completely subserviant to centrifugal force. The full lever extension,sequenced release, left wrist going from cocked, to level, to uncocked, and the right wrist going from level to uncocked are textbook. The Law of the Flail, rhythm, definition of keeping the club on plane, the Flying Wedges, the three imperatives are ALL here! Pay heed all of you swingers! Thanks Tom for all of your enthusiasm, devotion, and your wonderfully infectious manner.
EC
Thanks for your insightful post. I understand now how anyone so familiar with TT would hesitate to criticize. I have only been aware of him for a year or so. And, I agree with your clinical analysis of his stroke. If only everyone at that age could make as good a pass at the ball!
I haven't followed these threads that closely but I guess I can't help wondering why are we arguing about this?
From what I can tell, he was a swinger and taught swinging. It appears he considered angle hinging and hitting to be specialty shots. He sure talked a lot in this last series about throwing the wrists. I've never heard him attempt to describe or define "right arm swinging", at least not in these clips. Was he a right arm swinger? I have no idea.
It seems like some of us should agree to disagree and move on.
I never met Mr. Tomasello but he obviously had a great gift for teaching and a love of doing just that. Everyone should be able to agree on that!
I've certainly had reservations about commenting on this video for several reasons, but in fairness to those new to TGM, I feel a responsibility to respond. I am having difficulty in reconciling what I want to say in deference to the legacy that Tom has left us all. But, here goes...
In this video, we see a Tom Tomasello of certain compromised and diminished capacities. The true "illusions" that I see are reflected in Tom's "feels" versus what is actually happening. There are many issues with semantics evident, but every molecule of my being "knows" that Tom knew the feeling of properly executed procedure(s). What we see him describing is a circle path delivery, definitely a swinging procedure (absolutely no right arm swing), but when he executes at his full speed, you see a straight line delivery path, pitch basic stroke (ABSOLUTELY no PUSH basic as he says), and tremendous full lever extension; and, oh yeah, wonderful rhythm compatible with the travel time of horizontal hinging.
His narrative and his full speed motion are completely at odds with each other.
What he does leave us with, is a wonderful swinging motion completely subserviant to centrifugal force. The full lever extension,sequenced release, left wrist going from cocked, to level, to uncocked, and the right wrist going from level to uncocked are textbook. The Law of the Flail, rhythm, definition of keeping the club on plane, the Flying Wedges, the three imperatives are ALL here! Pay heed all of you swingers! Thanks Tom for all of your enthusiasm, devotion, and your wonderfully infectious manner.
EC
Another illusion....during chapter 3 of this series it's all STRAIGHT LINE DELIVERY PATH....with club in hand TOMASELLO is not demonstrating a CIRCLE DELIVERY PATH...what next Tomasello was the King of the Right Arm Swing...the DRIVING DOWN AND OUT Right Arm SWING...compress that ball....
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