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Old 08-01-2008, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Toolish View Post
I can tell you I try to hit the inside of the ball for sure...maybe I need to work on it some more and tie it in with the body rotation. Sure is all a big puzzle. Running out of right arm has always been a big problem of mine...I have never found my secret to getting more bend there. Might have to start up a to do list for the swing!
Besides the inside of the ball- with say your 7 iron - where do you try to hit the ball- direct your lag- below the equator?, at the equator?, above the equator?, how much? If you had to precisely locate it - what dimple are you going after? Use the diagram below representing the back of the ball and a is the top of the ball, c is the equator, e is the bottom of the ball. colomn one is the ball closest to you - column 5 is the part of the ball furthest away. Dead Center back of the ball is C3
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:24 PM
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That is more of a squaring of the hips and a forward press...mirror work a couple of weeks ago indicated I had open hips at address so this is a recent addition in an attempt to square the hips and establish some spine angle. No problem, I like that idea.

If anything I have a tendency to set up with the face closed rather than open I'd guess not on this one- but closed to what? i.e. How do you know that you tend to set the face closed and closed to what?,

although I do sometimes roll it open excessively early in the backswingI have never worked on a delayed or snap release, I have a random release which tends closer to sweep than snap, I have dealt with that. What does "dealt with that mean?"

I have in the past had a very bad flip and dip and IO think some of the body movement may tie back to that. It is definately something I am aware of.Nice tie in...never clicked to that!!

Do you think the weight on the toes and the coming out of posture ties into being too far from the ball at address and therefore having the weight too forward No

Bit confused what you mean here...there may be a bit of OTT maybe linked in with the laid off position at the topI know I have to hit down and out through the ball...it is my key thought when things start to go bad...knowing it and doing it may be different things though! Now, you've brought up an important point- The clubshaft and clubhead move on plane- and the clubhead therefore is moving down, out and forward. That does not mean that you necessarily "try" to move it down, out and forward. That does not mean that you necessarily "feel" it move down, out and forward. You see -what's happening in a movement from a third party perspective i.e. looking through the camera at a golf swing and what you are trying to do - are two completely different things. Without discussing in more detail - you have over done the down, out and forward- you need more down.

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Old 08-01-2008, 02:58 PM
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Besides the inside of the ball- with say your 7 iron - where do you try to hit the ball- direct your lag- below the equator?, at the equator?, above the equator?, how much? If you had to precisely locate it - what dimple are you going after? Use the diagram below representing the back of the ball and a is the top of the ball, c is the equator, e is the bottom of the ball. colomn one is the ball closest to you - column 5 is the part of the ball furthest away. Dead Center back of the ball is C3
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What's you handicap or average score?

Is there some sort of anti-Christ message in all that mumbojumbo you typed up there? Hey! Somebody check the back of Mike's neck for a bar code!

Ok I understand what you are getting at interms of compression . . . . and concepts etc. BUT . . . . your intent may be to do what you describe . . . but can you do it effectively if your head hangs back.

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Old 08-01-2008, 04:15 PM
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Is there some sort of anti-Christ message in all that mumbojumbo you typed up there? Hey! Somebody check the back of Mike's neck for a bar code!

Ok I understand what you are getting at interms of compression . . . . and concepts etc. BUT . . . . your intent may be to do what you describe . . . but can you do it effectively if your head hangs back.

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Lunatic and obsessive head movement devotee,
First it's vital that every forum have a few psycho's - with Mathew leaving I felt it was my duty to support that category!!! You actually qualify double in this category - therefore we've hit the minimum three.

If your head hangs back - yes that could cause you to not implement something that you were trying to do. The wider issue is that you can have lots of "automatic", "ingrained", "subconscious" movements that prevent you from performing the movement correctly.
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:14 PM
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Just me- I'm not really worried about head movement.
Are your misses pull draw/hooks and blocks? I see off plane inside shoulder turn take away - forcing the left swing down. Get the club up the plane and down the plane. Try some left arm only pure swings.
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hg View Post
Here's the DTL view ...this may help with the analysis
Been following this and usually don't get involved in critique as the player may prefer a different method etc
I would however agree with Mike O and his original analysis and in particular the way you load the club
A few suggestions 1) practise your lower body motion on an upslope ( dont need a club) 2) practise your upper body motion on a downslope
Put the 2 together and hit balls
If you have problems taking the lower body motion into your full motion make sure you use your eyes to to aim at the apex of the ball flight you seek and encourage your feet and knees but not your upper body to swing to the apex
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Old 08-01-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike O View Post
Just me- I'm not really worried about head movement.
Lunatic 1 to Lunatic 2 to Lunatic 3 . . .

Why would you not be worried about head movement?

I'm not saying that head movement is the end all be all . . . BUT the head indicates what the pivot maybe doing . . . TO THE LOW POINT . . . . AND . . . IF THE HEAD HANGS BACK THE PIVOT STALLS THE ARMS RUN AWAY AND THE FACE SHUTS FAST . . . Massive rotor just stalled out and everything else goes out and away.

I may have to get that human head in the fridge wild eyed look, drink a lot of coffee, smoke some cigs and make a youtube video . . . .

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Old 08-01-2008, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Lunatic 1 to Lunatic 2 to Lunatic 3 . . .

Why would you not be worried about head movement?

I'm not saying that head movement is the end all be all . . . BUT the head indicates what the pivot maybe doing . . . TO THE LOW POINT . . . . AND . . . IF THE HEAD HANGS BACK THE PIVOT STALLS THE ARMS RUN AWAY AND THE FACE SHUTS FAST . . . Massive rotor just stalled out and everything else goes out and away.

I may have to get that human head in the fridge wild eyed look, drink a lot of coffee, smoke some cigs and make a youtube video . . . .

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put down the meth pipe and stop the obsession with the head-
Absolutely, if you have a major head problem then you would look to see why your head is hanging back and then make the correction.
That said I wouldn't consider Toolish to have any major head motion problem- at least I would see other issues directly that may cause any head motion issues that you are seeing.

Glad to see we agree on this What's next?
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