Would you agree that the major dividing line between your instruction versus Tom Tomasello's of TGM comes from 6-K-0 Pivot Stroke Delivery and 6-L-0 Non-Pivot Stroke Delivery....your instruction taking the 6-K-0 route and Tommy's taking the 6-L-0 direction. I seriously believe this is where all of the confusion is coming from...
I also believe this is the reason why Tommy described and taught the 10-20 triggers the way he did...I guarantee you it all came from Homer.
DG...
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-18-2008 at 08:35 PM.
Would you agree that the major dividing line between your instruction versus Tom Tomasello's of TGM comes from 6-K-0 Pivot Stroke Delivery and 6-L-0 Non-Pivot Stroke Delivery....your instruction taking the 6-K-0 route and Tommy's taking the 6-L-0 direction. I seriously believe this is where all of the confusion is coming from...
Are you seriously suggesting that Tommy taught a Non-Pivot Stroke? With only "incidental body motion"?
Are you seriously suggesting that Tommy taught a Non-Pivot Stroke? With only "incidental body motion"?
Lynn,
Then please tell the class why Tommy started the downstroke with everything (uncocking of the right forearm, the right shoulder, the right forearm and left forearm, the left wrist) for full golf swings per the TGM swinging procedure and you teach students to start the downswing with the lower body??? You and Tommy both studied with the man himself and here we have two GSED level instructors teaching TGM in two completely different ways and both are saying their teaching TGM like the man wanted.... and in his GI interview Tommy said..."Learning the principles took time I knew the information was what I was looking for, but truthfully, after those sessions it was still over my head. Eventually, though, I learned both the movements and how to communicate them." So Tommy eventually learned the movements and how to communicate them......who did he learn them from...Homer Kelley??? So, what your saying is Tommy learned the wrong movements? Must have been asleep at the wheel or something to that effect???
Dave
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-18-2008 at 11:38 PM.
It may be true that TT taught a "right arm throw" swing to some students - as per the Lee Dietrick videos.
However, it is not necessarily true that he learnt that "right arm throw" swing approach from HK, or that it necessarily represented his main TGM teaching approach.
I have the 12 DVD series of TT giving a TGM class over 5 days. In that class he goes over the TGM curriculum. In that class, he definitely taught a pivot-driven swing as the primary approach to a full golf swing.
He may have changed his thinking in the last few years of his life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that his last/final thoughts about the golf swing came from HK.
It may be true that TT taught a "right arm throw" swing to some students - as per the Lee Dietrick videos.
However, it is not necessarily true that he learnt that "right arm throw" swing approach from HK, or that it necessarily represented his main TGM teaching approach.
I have the 12 DVD series of TT giving a TGM class over 5 days. In that class he goes over the TGM curriculum. In that class, he definitely taught a pivot-driven swing as the primary approach to a full golf swing.
He may have changed his thinking in the last few years of his life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that his last/final thoughts about the golf swing came from HK.
Jeff.
I studied with Tommy personally in 1993 and on audio tape I have Tommy saying he wasn't selling his personal view/spin/opinon of TGM. In fact as he was teaching me the magic of the right forearm, cocking and uncocking the right elbow WHILE SWINGING, he mentioned Homer....that Homer said you couldn't practice that move too slowly. Hence, the 10-step sequence drill on the Australia video series. Hmmm, you can find that drill in Chapter 8. How about that...
Tommy taught that right arm swing to a lot of people...per the GI interview, he was given the opportunity to teach it to the whole golfing community.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-19-2008 at 07:36 AM.
So, what your saying is Tommy learned the wrong movements? Must have been asleep at the wheel or something to that effect???
No, DG . . .
What I am saying is that you have absolutely no concept of the Non-Pivot Stroke and its required Delivery per 6-L-0. Any argument that Tom Tomasello did not teach his pupils to Pivot is ludicrous on its face.
You are so caught up in the Tommy-Tree that you cannot see the Tommy-Forest.
What I am saying is that you have absolutely no concept of the Non-Pivot Stroke and its required Delivery per 6-L-0. Any argument that Tom Tomasello did not teach his pupils to Pivot is ludicrous on its face.
You are so caught up in the Tommy-Tree that you cannot see the Tommy-Forest.
Lynn,
I was actually cutting you a break thinking that some how there are two philosphies to TGM....a lower body startdown and a upper body version. Hey, if we want to stick to one version. I'll stick with Tomasello.
Then please tell the class why Tommy started the downstroke with everything (uncocking of the right forearm . . .
Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Lynn,
I was actually cutting you a break thinking that some how there are two philosphies to TGM....a lower body startdown and a upper body version. Hey, if we want to stick to one version. I'll stick with Tomasello.
And then there are those of us who know that when you begin straightening the right elbow, you trigger the release. And when you straighten the right elbow to start the club down from the top, you trigger the release from the top. And when you trigger the release from the top . . .
I was actually cutting you a break thinking that some how there are two philosphies to TGM....a lower body startdown and a upper body version. Hey, if we want to stick to one version. I'll stick with Tomasello.
DG
If we want to stick to one version surely we must take Mr Kelly's advice from chapter fifteen 'AXIS TILT'. To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the Shoulder Axis by moving the Hips. That surely points to a lower body startdown?
What I am saying is that you have absolutely no concept of the Non-Pivot Stroke and its required Delivery per 6-L-0. Any argument that Tom Tomasello did not teach his pupils to Pivot is ludicrous on its face.
You are so caught up in the Tommy-Tree that you cannot see the Tommy-Forest.
No Lynn...I will study something until I know it...forwards and backwards, left to right....just like you have attempted to learn TGM.
I was looking at from a delivery stand point not a zero pivot perspective. You guys...amazing.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-19-2008 at 07:44 AM.
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