these swings were from the start of summer the beginning of my 'total picture' courtesy of Homer Kelley and GSEM Greg Smith. I challenge you to find anything wrong with the swing, the hit not quite as solid but very good nonetheless. the swing is still more powerful for me and my preferred method. before it started raining was belting drives 370 plus at sea level 330 plus average no joke, no exaggeration. longest drive this summer 386 flat as a pancake, no wind at 140lbs that's what TGM can do, it's not about strength. my strides lately have been in the form of mental outlook on the course and perspective of the swing process. I can tell u that my journey through the golf swing has been half concept and half practice of mechanics,one without the other is useless.
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i have a fresh outlook. I'm comfortable with my motion and know my tendencies, now I'm gonna own it. sometimes it's necessary to take a break from golf but what i find now is i'm never too rusty because i don't rely on chasing a feel, i rely on proper mechanics. As far as mechanics i have one word EXTENSOR yes it's real and yes it works, get it right and it will be the best thing you have ever done for your golf swing.
I don't want you to think that I'm trying to get you down. I'm not, and I thought about not responding because I know you might take this the Wrong way.
When I first viewed the two vids, I didn't think they were the same person.
The First Vid is a great swing but the Second vid is also a Swing. In Both Vids, the Clubshaft was Loaded.
How's your Scoring?
Are you compressing your Putts as well as your Full Strokes? That would be great.
In the First Swing, You're inadvertently relocating Low Point to the Outside of your Left Foot (maybe you're doing it purposefully). This occurs Because your Right Shoulder is Forward. Widening your stance will move your Right Shoulder aft, which will relocate Low Point more Aft. Low Point is controlled by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
Other than "that"....Outstanding Swing...!!! Perfect Compression. It's a Joy to hear and watch.
In the Second Vid, which is a Swing, indicates "Clubhead Throwaway". It's a good Swing but you're out of Sync. I think that the Pivot is the Root Cause. (OH YA, I looked at the Video a second time in slo-mo, it's definitely the Pivot). Weight Shift and Hip Action have separate identities. You cannot replace one with the other. Please tell us what Pivot Changes you made for the Second Swing. Stay with Swinging until you learn to use the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
Please Look at the Right Wrist Bend in Both pictures and observe that there is less right wrist bend in picture #2.
Homer Kelly said that as the ball is played aft in your stance, that you use less Right Wrist Bend. And, the farther forward the ball is played, your Right Wrist Bend is Greater.
This is because of Right Shoulder Location. When the Grip is created at Impact Fix, then the farther Forward the Ball is located, the farther Downplane the Right Shoulder. But as the ball is played a greater distance aft of Lowpoint, then the Right Shoulder -at Impact- and - at Impact Fix - is higher up On the Plane and so there is less Right Wrist Bend and a Straighter Elbow at Impact.
The difference between Pictures 1 and 2 above, may be explained as simply as saying that you created your grip NOT USING Impact Fix for your Right Forearm Angle of Approach Geometry. Because of this, unwanted variation is entering your Set-up.
Could this be true?? Are you Gripping the Club, then walking up to the Ball???
Absolutely, for consistency of geometry, the Grip must be aligned at Impact Fix, regardless of Lowpoint Location.
However, there are choices.......Rather than moving the Ball aft in your stance, you MAY MOVE LOWPOINT FORWARD. AND, the great advantage to this, is that IMPACT CAN REMAIN opposite the Hinge while you GAIN a Forward Leaning Shaft. Moving Lowpoint Forward means that the Right Shoulder Location at Impact can remain the same as normal and so the Right Wrist Bend and Right Elbow Bend at Impact can remain the same as normal.
We can REALLY SIMPLIFY this set of Alignments. Right Shoulder FORWARD OR AFT controls Lowpoint Forward/Aft (Use Stance width to control Right Shoulder forward/aft location).
Ball Location (forward/aft) controls Right Shoulder Location UP/DOWN on the Plane and controls Right Wrist Bend and Right Elbow Bend.
As always, Clubface Alignment at Impact Fix is strictly related to Low Point and the extent that Ball Location changes the Angle of Approach and Plane Angle.
thank you for your input and your praise daryl but i think you are misrepresenting homers work with some statements. as i said, the second 'hit' is not my preferred method, my arm bends slightly at top and my elbow is probably still nearly in pitch but that is as hit as i get for now, don't wanna confuse the machine too much. I think you're really splitting hairs with the amount of right wrist bend both pictures are essentially dead flat left wrist. also you pointed out that my 'lowpoint' is at left foot not at left shoulder(outside low point) well actually that is just because thats the only point u can pause the video, if you could frame by frame it and go back one you will see a dead straight line down from the left shoulder, perfect geometry. if anything, i see a slight blend of twist and bump instead of bump then twist with the hips. But truly this is my motion, if i make that swing exactly as it is consistently scores will be low. Compare that swing to any pga tour player and i guarantee your gonna find stuff more wrong with most of their swings, except for hogan or nicklaus of course. better yet compare this swing to diane in ch. 8, you won't find anything different. draw a line from the clubhead to the left shoulder in the hit and its a dead straight line, if the wrist was literally flat like against a book, it would actually be slightly arched.
what i like most about these swings is the foot work, both impacts my feet are flat on the ground but also working, rolling not just dead. this took me two years of hitting balls under gregs supervision with bag stands on my feet, feet together or just focusing on their proper action. this is the first thing we worked on and for a reason it's the foundation for the whole swingmachine literally. my swing before TGM, NOTHING REMOTELY CLOSE feet jumping around, head dropping, swaying, bent left arm, bent left wrist, closed clubface wild hips, etc it was a nightmare i duck hooked every shot aimed 40 yards right
I have to setup at impact fix, it just doesnt feel comfortable gripping and then stepping in.
"Homer Kelly said that as the ball is played aft in your stance, that you use less Right Wrist Bend. And, the farther forward the ball is played, your Right Wrist Bend is Greater." --- WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON????? thats not in the book nor does it make sense. please don't state that homer said something in the book if it's not in there. wherever the ball is played that shaft lean will be different but the right wrist bend will not change as it cannot unless it is altering the left wrist which u should not if u want proper geometry. It's just like a pendulum or clock the left arm inline with the clubshaft swings down from its center point as one long lever once the left wrist is uncocked, as you can see in the first picture which was stopped just after low point the left arm and clubshaft are dead in line and on their way up slightly as they should be. scores are low and creeping lower but now its raining allllll the time
playing the ball at low point with forward lean is incorrect geometry, also ball location should not affect your plane angle unless you are off plane or changing angle during release and impact
You have a great Swing. As good as any pro. Compression is the key and you have it. You can sustain the line of compression and manipulate the same using a Horizontal Hinge. now you can learn to manipulate it in other ways.
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"playing the ball at low point with forward lean is incorrect geometry".
You are correct and I agree. But....playing the ball below/opposite the Hinge, and moving Low Point Forward of the Hinge Pin to gain a forward leaning shaft, is not only correct geometry but has some very valuable benefits as well. Almost All Pros use a Chip stroke applying this geometry and alignments.
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I underlined the Wrist Bend sentence and color coded his conclusions.
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6-C-2-A THE ESSENCE of Clubhead Lag technique is that it is always both Aiming AND Thrust. Passive – it is primarily Aiming the Lag Pressure. Active – it is the primarily Thrusting the Lag Pressure Point. The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line. But never directly – only via the Right Forearm and the #3 Pressure Point per 2-F, 5-0 and 7-3. It is guided along that Line to the Both Arms Straight configuration by the straight line thrust of the #3 Pressure Point toward the Angle of Approach quadrant of the Ball – or Aiming Point – per 1-F, 1-L-9/10, 2-J-3 and 6-E-2.
The Clubshaft is stressed by the weight of the Clubhead resisting a change in its direction or velocity – which is Acceleration. Acceleration bends the Clubshaft during Radial Acceleration (10-19-A). Change of direction bends it during Longitudinal Acceleration (10-19-C) which may be, or just include, the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point in addition to its main function of Acceleration Control. From Putter to Driver, the Clubhead Lag technique is indispensable.
If the Pressure Point pressure that produced the initial Clubshaft flex is maintained it will maintain the flex also. So the pressure will be a steady smooth Thrust form the entire Power Package Assembly, and will produce a constant rate of acceleration of the Primary Lever Assembly. If the Pivot moves the Right Shoulder at the same speed as the Power Package – or Primary Lever Assembly – the Accumulators will not be Released by this action until the Right Elbow can straighten. Even then the Clubhead Lag is still maintained – it has NO Release Point. Establish a “normal” Right Wrist Bend for Release – either frozen at some point, or moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point and/or the Basic Stroke changes the Elbow location (10-3) – because the Right Wrist Bend, along with Ball Location and Plane Angle determine the precise RIGHT FOREARM ANGLE OF APPROACH (7-3).
When HK says "frozen at some point", he's referring to cases where you would locate the Ball below the Hinge Pin and relocate Low Point forward of the Hinge Pin (you would narrow your stance). When HK says "moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point" he is referring to moving the ball aft in your stance without Changing the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (such as happens when widening or narrowing your stance).
I think he also mentions in the book that "Steeper" planes use less Wrist Bend. Also True.
you are misinterpreting that section i think, if the left wrist is flat and the right wrist bent there is only one amount of bend in the wrist EXCEPT that the right forearm position changes the angle between the right wrist and forearm only because the forearm is changing not because the right wrist is bending more or less, also any possible right wrist cock could be right wrist bend prior to release. YOUR HANDS ARE CLAMPS the left wrist is flat and therefore the right wrist is bent however for someone like me who is deep into pitch there is not much angle between right wrist and forearm vs someone who is in more of a push position
also i disagree with your first part, playing the ball opposite the hinge (low point) with forward lean cannot be correct geometry as far as tgm is concerned, if it were correct the left arm and clubshaft would be dead in line perpendicular to the ground(if flat) NOT leaning forward the forward lean is a function of the amount the ball is played back of low point. you cannot move low point forward except with manipulation and incorrect geometry. low point is at the left shoulder socket, (lets not get into manzellas jive about low point could be anywhere DUH!) but the correct geometry for G.O.L.F swing is contingent upon left shoulder being low point.
I'll wait until you learn more. It's all in Chapter Two. It's all part of the "Geometry of the Circle". I don't want to fight. Have it anyway you want. Bye.
I'll wait until you learn more. It's all in Chapter Two. It's all part of the "Geometry of the Circle". I don't want to fight. Have it anyway you want. Bye.
the geometry of the circle for G.O.L.F. requires low point to be at the left shoulder socket, i do not fight i only discuss the yellow book nothing is personal... lol bye? you said the more i play it back the less right wrist bend and the more forward the more? just explain how that makes sense? because to me it doesn't and it's not what homer is saying. if your left wrist is flat regardless of ball location the right wrist is bent the exact amount the flat left wrist allows it to be however differing elbow positions can change the bend angle between the forearm and right wrist but should not change the left wrist-right wrist bend relationship otherwise you are changing the left wrist.
When HK says "frozen at some point", he's referring to cases where you would locate the Ball below the Hinge Pin and relocate Low Point forward of the Hinge Pin (you would narrow your stance). When HK says "moving from Maximum to Minimum Bend as the Ball Location is moved away from Low Point" he is referring to moving the ball aft in your stance without Changing the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (such as happens when widening or narrowing your stance).
I think he also mentions in the book that "Steeper" planes use less Wrist Bend. Also True.
thats not what hes referring to. I know of no place where he suggests moving low point forward of the hinge pin, the hinge pin IS low point the hinge is at the left shoulder so is low point. the width of stance has nothing to do with the geometry of the swing, zip, zero.
also explain why a steeper plane would change wrist bend, i cant see that it would.
nothing is personal for me and anyone who is a fan of the yellow book im generally a fan of
what i like most about these swings is the foot work, both impacts my feet are flat on the ground but also working, rolling not just dead. this took me two years of hitting balls under gregs supervision with bag stands on my feet, feet together or just focusing on their proper action. this is the first thing we worked on and for a reason it's the foundation for the whole swingmachine literally. my swing before TGM, NOTHING REMOTELY CLOSE feet jumping around, head dropping, swaying, bent left arm, bent left wrist, closed clubface wild hips, etc it was a nightmare i duck hooked every shot aimed 40 yards right
Could you elaborate please ? The footwork is the what looked the most unusual to me in your swing.
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