good stuff David....Im not discounting S&T and the steeper turn, it works for Charlie Wi, but Im not Charlie. I need a procedure that is repeatable, for some S&T may be just that, but I love the idea of being able to fire my on plane rt shoulder at the ball w/out having to drop the club back onto the elbow plane. A LOT of great players do/did make that shift, but Im just looking for solid ball striking w/out compensations, and it seems playing off the TSP for ME is the way to go....