What are the symptoms Bear? Late release? Overshooting the target can I suppose be considered a "too much lag pressure" deal.......you know like blasting a putt 10' long.
It happens at release. Only with a driver or longer woods. The feel is that the club is so heavy it stops my hands. If I slow everything down to create a smoother heavy motion I have no club head speed. I crank it up and I get this convulsive lag pressure near impact and a late release action which makes squareing the clubface difficult.
What I said about the clubhead speed vs handspeed is 100% relevant in your case.
I feel stupid but what do you mean by hand/club head speed ratio? do I need more hand speed or ch speed? It will be hard for me to get more of either- I think????
Thanks
BerntR trying to describe different impact sensations and their causes
You need more clubhead speed. Yore not releasing the club properly.
If you have a proper release and flip through the ball impact will feel like melted butter.You probably get 85-90% of full distance but the ball really shouldn't feel that weightless at impact.
If you flip too early, you get a sort of "reverse shock". I haven't checked but I suspec that you get in the opposite direction in the hands. A little bit like hitting a piece of wood, perheps. I guess I have a hard time describing how that one feels, but it sure doesn't feel right.
If you release properly and still has good lag pressure you will feel that the ball stays on the clubface for a while, and that it is sqeezed flat before it bonces off the shaft. It feels heavy and fast and sweet at once.
If you don't release the club properly, clubhead speed / hands speed ratio through the ball will be too low. This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft and you will feel an impact resistance as if the clubhead is struggling to get through the ball. And also a mighty impact shock in your hands. This is what I think is going on in your swing.
IN relationship to a clubhead speed / hands speed ratio that it too low, there are two possibilities: 1) You do this with all the clubs but it isn't a problem with short irons due to the heavier clubhead mass and compression leak. 2) You only do this with long sticks because your swing pattern is steep and doesn't work as well with long clubs. If it's alternative 2 you probably need to work on swinging more around you and less up and down to hit it as well with the driver as the wedge. More pivot and less arms so to speak.
If you don't release the club properly, clubhead speed / hands speed ratio through the ball will be too low. This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft and you will feel an impact resistance as if the clubhead is struggling to get through the ball. And also a mighty impact shock in your hands.
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
I think I understand what is meant-- poor compression is poor energy transfer which may create a standing wave in the shaft that is felt at the hands- The hands being at a non nodal location on the shaft.
What do you mean that "This will move the sweet spot far up the shaft"? How does the Sweetspot move? Do you mean that CF is not pulling on the COG of the Club?
This is a fairly simple question I guess, but the answer requires quite a few clarifications.
First of all, the sweet spot of the clubhead is not the same as the sweet spot of the whole club. If you hit the sweet spot of the clubhead there will be less of a shock effect through the shaft to your hands. But the sweet spot of the whole club is not in the clubhead sweet spot, and you will get a shock in your hands, because you're basically hitting the ball outside the sweet spot of the whole club.
Second, mass and COG is not the appropriate approach to study sweet spot of rotating objects such as a golf club. You need to look at the distribution of kinetic energy (mass * velocity^2). The mass that moves faster counts more than the mass that moves slower. That is easy to feel by simply swinging fast and slow. The fast swing speed produces a much "heavier" club.
The COG of the whole club is by the way in the shaft a few inches above the hosel. If you move your hands as fast as the clubhead that's also where the MOI center will be.
Since the mass that moves faster counts more, the MOI center will get closer to the clubheads sweet spot (and beyond??) when yor clubhead speed /hands speed ratio is high. And it moves up towards the COG when this ratio is low.
If you don't have a proper release, the MOI center will be relatively high and you will feel a lot more impact resistance. I can still remember the first time I hit a 3 iron and the first time I hit a driver. I may not have the most vicious release now either, but back then it was really slow. The resistance at impact was massive.
Here's food for thought: Since the ratio of hand speed to clubhead speed changes throughout the swing, the MOI center will not be in the same place on the club from startdown to impact.
On the other Hand, specifically, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, the Clubhead speed / hands speed Ratio is "What?" since the Right Wrist neither Cocks/Uncocks, nor moves from Bent to Flat (prior to Impact). The Right Forearm Flying Wedge operates as a rigid structure without regard to the Uncocking Left Wrist.
The Cocking and Uncocking of the Left Wrist is inextricably tied to the Bending and Unbending of the Right Elbow and the Golf Club and Clubhead are welded to the Right Forearm with a Bent and Level Right Wrist.
If you were the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, would the ratio remain constant regardless of Hand Speed? Does the Ratio matter to the Right Forearm Flying Wedge?
I suppose that designing a Golf Swing whereby Both Wrists Cock and Uncock, the mechanics may be quite different than what is outlined in TGM.
Sounds like you're able to bring in a lot of lag into impact and have the ability to handle it with the shorter clubs. I think many players will incorporate a snap or late release with the shorter clubs and automatically think they can can apply the same to the longer clubs (Driver for example and me for example). I know that Ben thinks there's no such thing as too much "lag", but for a few percent of the population there is.
I'd suggest you try more of a sweep release with the Driver and any club that you feel like you are "fighting" to release properly. My guess it's a feel vs real thing. Trying to carry a bunch of lag into impact with longer clubs is no-bueno unless you're able to deal with it. I bet you're sweep release looks like a proper snap release with the Driver.
Sounds like you may have too much tightness in the hands, arms, shoulders.
Lag pressure is fine as long as it doesn't cause you to tighten up in these areas.
Lag is just the clubhead laggin behind the handle. With the driver or FW clubs you
don't need a lot of lag as the club approaches impact. Lighten up pressure in your
grip, arms and shoulders and see if that can lessen the lag pressure later in the
downswing.
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