I am little lost. How did Tomasello say the downswing was initiated? The pulling action of the forearms, or the accelertion of the right shoulder? I probably should know given that this path is well worn, but occured to me that I was a bit vague. Do the arms move the shoulder, or does the right shoulder move the arms? Or do the hips actually move first because the intent was to move the right shoulder down plane? I have posted before that in my own stroke pattern my conscious thought is to hurtle my right shoulder down plane, but the eye of the camera suggest that regardless of my intent the hips slide tilting my axis. Thinking about hip slide is the kiss of death for me. As for pulling of the forearms that tends to disconnect my power package from its engine, the pivot.
I find it interesting that you regard TT as a TGM savant extrodinaire. I agree with OB in that Homer would not be nailed down to one pattern etc. To me any teacher that over emphasizes one pattern, or component variation for that matter, to the exclusion of all others misses the point! Either, they do not have a full understanding of all the workable patterns, or they cannot resist the temptation to have a pet pattern. TGM then becomes a method, and no longer a catalogue of workability. We are still then just looking for a magic bullet (which I have found by the way! ) I like what TT says. To tout his expertise as without peer is admirable from a loyalty point of view, but I think it ultimately marginalizes Tom Tomasello in the eyes of many in light of our benefactor's (Yoda) vast knowledge. Lynn certainly does not have to defend his prowess, it literally speaks for itself. A true TGM savant is not married to a methodology, ultimately honoring Homer's intent. For TT it may have been a hit and miss kind of thing. I think he had an aversion to hitting, which I think has some real advantages. It is tough to be objective, most everybody picks favorites. I found Homer's reluctance to speak adamantly about what he preferred to be quite irritating! Now I appreciate why. Like 10-20-E? Then utilize 10-20-E!
DG I must admit I was going from memory on the Snead Shells WW of Golf demonstration. I tried to find it on line but couldnt. Please put it up if you have a link. I'd love to see it again.
In terms of Hogans sequence, its well documented to my mind, by Hogan himself and others..........ground up. Here is Moe Norman's take on it.............."We're the only two guys in golf that get into a sitting position ......as we take the club back".
DG I must admit I was going from memory on the Snead Shells WW of Golf demonstration. I tried to find it on line but couldnt. Please put it up if you have a link. I'd love to see it again.
In terms of Hogans sequence, its well documented to my mind, by Hogan himself and others..........ground up. Here is Moe Norman's take on it.............."We're the only two guys in golf that get into a sitting position ......as we take the club back".
Nice clip of Moe. If I'm not mistaken, that is the voice of the guy from the Big Break who was a Moe fan (and swung a lot like him). I'm blanking on his name, but I saw him a year or so ago give a clinic in Fairfax, VA. As close to Moe as I've seen in terms of pattern (although not as straight I suspect).
the key part of that clip is the focus on the 'sit down', and the leading of the left knee.
that left knee move is very much worth paying attention to IMO.
Hogan, Moe and Knudson all had it. As does Faldo, and to a less obvious degree, Trevino.
As far as a swinger's start down, a focus on the left knee or right shoulder is a good place to 'start'.
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Okie - yes, that link is a powerful one. Try holding the top of your backswing and imagine a line tied from the left knee to the right shoulder. Without moving anything else, start the left knee directly left and you'll get the feel for how that pulls the right shoulder and gets the pivot into the "Snead Squat" position. A very powerful position.
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Okie - yes, that link is a powerful one. Try holding the top of your backswing and imagine a line tied from the left knee to the right shoulder. Without moving anything else, start the left knee directly left and you'll get the feel for how that pulls the right shoulder and gets the pivot into the "Snead Squat" position. A very powerful position.
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That won't fit very well in the connected song, but what a great thought for G.O.L.F. Thanks for another great nugget Ed!
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Okie - yes, that link is a powerful one. Try holding the top of your backswing and imagine a line tied from the left knee to the right shoulder. Without moving anything else, start the left knee directly left and you'll get the feel for how that pulls the right shoulder and gets the pivot into the "Snead Squat" position. A very powerful position.
Nice we're really getting into the nuts and bolts now.
EdZ, I have a slight variation on this. In my mind I have some rubber, surgical tubing that connects my left hip to my right shoulder. The hips lead, laterally as above but once left they turn to maintain the stretch. Its a work in progress for me.
Hogan did say knees and hips in the SWWOG demo but watch his left foot! Note when it hits the ground sequentially. Although I must admit it is a bit of a chicken and egg thing.
Gary Gilcrest told me a similar thing when I was still a whipper-snapper. Leadbetter had told him that the downswing starts with the left knee moving. Is that the same thing?
Nice we're really getting into the nuts and bolts now.
EdZ, I have a slight variation on this. In my mind I have some rubber, surgical tubing that connects my left hip to my right shoulder. The hips lead, laterally as above but once left they turn to maintain the stretch. Its a work in progress for me.
Hogan did say knees and hips in the SWWOG demo but watch his left foot! Note when it hits the ground sequentially. Although I must admit it is a bit of a chicken and egg thing.
It might seem like the same, but there is an important difference between using the knee, and using the hips.
If you start with the knee, it sets the right shoulder down plane. If you start with the hip, the right shoulder very often comes out over plane.
DG - I can't speak for Snead, but in my case when I really load #4 properly, #2 is also loaded, very strongly and it can 'feel' like a pull.
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) I like what TT says. To tout his expertise as without peer is admirable from a loyalty point of view, but I think it ultimately marginalizes Tom Tomasello in the eyes of many in light of our benefactor's (Yoda) vast knowledge. Lynn certainly does not have to defend his prowess, it literally speaks for itself. A true TGM savant is not married to a methodology, ultimately honoring Homer's intent. For TT it may have been a hit and miss kind of thing. I think he had an aversion to hitting, which I think has some real advantages. It is tough to be objective, most everybody picks favorites. I found Homer's reluctance to speak adamantly about what he preferred to be quite irritating! Now I appreciate why. Like 10-20-E? Then utilize 10-20-E!
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