Not sure about Hitting...Long Irons/Woods don't work well....
Something to think about at least----
If a proscribed way of swinging (hitting), works for some irons (short) but not as well for others(long), is that way of swinging (hitting) really effective?
From a reveiw of the posts contained herein, it looks like most are having consistant problems hitting longer irons or woods. That being the case, is this a good model, or simply a "specialty shot" similar to a lob or flop, or punch, etc, that you might employ on a selective basis, rather than being a "standard way" of playing?
Also, there are "few" hitters on the tour(s), and even then, I am not convinced that those who are identified as hitters, "hit" on all full shots as a standard way of play.....
Ted Fort is a pure Hitter and crushes the ball. Don't use the Tour is a guide. These guys are naturals and can do everything wrong and still win. Tour guys were never trained to do Homer Kelly's Hit stroke IMHO. But many do drive the clubhead with an Angle Hinge action.
I would read every post by Ted Fort about Hitting. A video I posted called Hitter's Row shows Lynn Swinging in the foreground and Ted Hitting in the background. A beauty to loop and watch over and over.
Ted Fort is a pure Hitter and crushes the ball. Don't use the Tour is a guide. These guys are naturals and can do everything wrong and still win. Tour guys were never trained to do Homer Kelly's Hit stroke IMHO. But many do drive the clubhead with an Angle Hinge action.
I would read every post by Ted Fort about Hitting. A video I posted called Hitter's Row shows Lynn Swinging in the foreground and Ted Hitting in the background. A beauty to loop and watch over and over.
Well, I referenced tour(s) which includes many more players to model, not just The Tour. I just seems to me that there are not enough professionals, past or present, who do this to say its an optimal way to try to play the game. Especially when you see comments on this site such as "toe in the face to negate the fade tendency of hitting"....whats that about?
Well, I referenced tour(s) which includes many more players to model, not just The Tour. I just seems to me that there are not enough professionals, past or present, who do this to say its an optimal way to try to play the game. Especially when you see comments on this site such as "toe in the face to negate the fade tendency of hitting"....whats that about?
After Ted as an example, who else you got?
You are right- forget about the Hit stroke pattern if you feel uncomfortable with it.
But... ball position and/or a slightly closed clubface will adjust ball flight- you can fade or draw the ball at will. Angled Hinging does not produce a weak fade to the right unless you want that to be the ball flight.
A Hitter has more knowledge about clubface control than a Swinger- not a shabby thing to own.
As I said- Homer's Hit stroke pattern is not known outside the world of TGM/LBG. Heck, even some AI's don't know much about it. Homer loved it so much, he thought it would change the game because everyone would be so accurrate with their shots.
Check out YouTube and look at Kenny Perry- Lift and Crunch. Great stuff if you need a tour(s) guy to look at. I think he needs a bit of Extensor Action by still a great stroke.
and check out the hip action, too
So.... Lynn Blake and Ted Fort can teach you a great stroke that any tour(s) player would be the envy of. A bonafide Homer Kelley Hit Stroke Pattern and all the smarts that goes with it.
"You may also need to close the face a tiny bit at address.''..this is your advice to someone who is slicing the crap out out thier 3 wood and driver. What kind of motion is it that would require such compensations just to hit a decent shot?
"You may also need to close the face a tiny bit at address.''..this is your advice to someone who is slicing the crap out out thier 3 wood and driver. What kind of motion is it that would require such compensations just to hit a decent shot?
No, this is not my advice for some one slicing the crap out of ther ball with a three wood or driver. My advice to someone you slicing the crap out of the ball is to stop the outside to inside golf stroke. My advice would be to square the clubhead at impact with Educated Flying Wedges.
That advice, or at least mine, was about ball position or closing the face slightly was for a HITTER that wanted precision in their ball flight. Change either and control the ball flight. Control the ball flight and you control the game. Plain and Simply.
If you are slicing the crap out of the ball as a Hitter- gain some precision in your alignments. Start with IMPACT FIX.
Don't mean to be so harsh but you seem to think a little adjustment at address is a sign of weakness when it is pure precision. Hitters- TGM/LBG Hitters- have enormous control of the clubhead and how it impacts the ball. A Swinger doesn’t have the same control- he has to give that up with trust to get control.
I am not a real Hitter. I do like to hurl that clubhead, especially since learning to roll on the plane line (another reason my pivot is not in charge btw). But two weeks ago I played in heavy winds and went with a Hit Stroke and scored one of my better rounds. Today on all Par threes, regardless of distance (154-206), I used a Hit Stroke. I’ll be doing this from now on. Deadly accurate.
So is the next step "All Hit all the Time" - who knows? You don’t need a tour(s) player to feel good about the stroke. It speaks for itself. And Ted and Lynn are two top two architects to learn from. Be a lucky guy and talk to them instead of blasting adjustments and precision.
Well, I referenced tour(s) which includes many more players to model, not just The Tour. I just seems to me that there are not enough professionals, past or present, who do this to say its an optimal way to try to play the game. Especially when you see comments on this site such as "toe in the face to negate the fade tendency of hitting"....whats that about?
After Ted as an example, who else you got?
They don't identify themselves as hitters, but Gary Edwin guys use the right arm and right side to push the club through impact. Rod Pampling, Peter Lonard, Gavin Coles, to name a few.
The problem with IDing hitter's on tour is that very few tour players setup with the right forearm on plane, and at top, hitters and swingers look the same.
I started hitting in 2004 or so and played my best golf doing so. It did take a little time to get used to the longer clubs (2-3 range sessions) because the length of swing was shorter and the timing was different. After that hump, I hit it better than I swing it.
Hitting is a great procedure. It works with all clubs.
Especially when you see comments on this site such as "toe in the face to negate the fade tendency of hitting"....whats that about?
Also, in several books about Hogan, especially Jody Vasquez's book....
Observers of Hogan note that he setup with his club face about 5-10 degrees open at address. Hogan found that worked for him. I wouldn't worry about how much someone toes it in at address or not, I'd worry about how square it is at impact.
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