The Italian guy helped me a lot with no band aids. I've got a flw, a straight plane line and LAG.
I did much like you efnef, I started with Ben Doyle's tire lesson from this site and did not move on until I could execute a chip, pitch and punch without flipping the tire over and without looking down the shaft. I was a decent player before I started with the TGM ideas, now I am a lot better. I'm sorry but I just don't see any bandaids in that. I don't see how anyone that thinks the 3 imperatives are the ticket could be a band-aider. It simply takes a lot of time and dedication to get those right.
Efnef: That's just one major difference between this site and Rocky's, civility. Goes a long way my friend. BTW Rocky is the fly in my signature
Ya I agree. Civil discussion does go a long way.
Anyway tho....
Civility? Brian calls it as he sees it and is pretty blunt sometimes but....how unfair is it really most of the time? Should we all be yes men?
....I like the openness.....sure there's a bit of an edge sometimes (I agree he could work on the delivery to ruffle less feathers while he's making his point) but big deal....
I guess it would all seem "uncivil" if you disagreed or were on the recieving end.
I mean....I know I ain't an "uncivil" guy...
I might be the most civil guy I know actually.
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BTW....regarding "the dust he does raise".....so long as there is a good point dusty always kicks the crap out of squeaky clean.
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Oh yes they are divine! Esp. the big yellow ones!
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This thread seems to have run it's course, and I don't want to see us lower our standards here. Please either edit your posts regarding other instructors or delete them.
The ridiculous, false, and slanderous insinuations continue on the other forum, but we have put that entire organization on permanent "ignore". I would ask that friends of LBG do the same.
What's been done is forever behind us now and there is no looking back.
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The Italian guy helped me a lot with no band aids. I've got a flw, a straight plane line and LAG.
I did much like you efnef, I started with Ben Doyle's tire lesson from this site and did not move on until I could execute a chip, pitch and punch without flipping the tire over and without looking down the shaft. I was a decent player before I started with the TGM ideas, now I am a lot better. I'm sorry but I just don't see any bandaids in that. I don't see how anyone that thinks the 3 imperatives are the ticket could be a band-aider. It simply takes a lot of time and dedication to get those right.
Ummm... once again, the shortcomings of attempting to participate in internet written communication... I guess I was not clear. My initial response was to the remark, "Whatever works." I did not say that the three imperatives were a band aid. I agree with you 100%. It takes time and dedication. Build the swing on a solid foundation. Quick fixes are here today, gone tomorrow.
It seems to me, that this is the only thing that ever seems to get debated.
I notice in another place in cyberspace that there is pictures of Lynn with a tripod (from a 10-5-E variation for hitting and a handheld hence non-level camera that is not square on the plane line, playing in the middle of winter in a windy day and I think he said he had 5 layers of clothes on - I might add). Through my work in 3d - just a few degrees out and you can find that you can totally change the impression of things. I mean its laughable, this is the guy that said he needs some solid scientific proof and he then takes from a ghosty and double compressed video and makes some suspicious pictures. Do you recon these where good conditions from which to judge???
Lack of their knowledge never allows them to debate anything else...
Unfortunately for the naysayers, this does not detract from the principle. And for every person that you can find that sways, I can find one with a perfectly centered pivot. There is the ideal and like in every game you play, every deviation of it - you lose....
It seems to me, that this is the only thing that ever seems to get debated.
I notice in another place in cyberspace that there is pictures of Lynn with a tripod (from a 10-5-E variation for hitting and a handheld hence non-level camera that is not square on the plane line, playing in the middle of winter in a windy day and I think he said he had 5 layers of clothes on - I might add). Through my work in 3d - just a few degrees out and you can find that you can totally change the impression of things. I mean its laughable, this is the guy that said he needs some solid scientific proof and he then takes from a ghosty and double compressed video and makes some suspicious pictures. Do you recon these where good conditions from which to judge???
Lack of their knowledge never allows them to debate anything else...
Unfortunately for the naysayers, this does not detract from the principle. And for every person that you can find that sways, I can find one with a perfectly centered pivot. There is the ideal and like in every game you play, every deviation of it - you lose....
It is possible and it is correct...
The crux of the matter is this (and I don't think I can say it strongly enough)...
The Head is related to the Left Shoulder (by the simple fact that it rides on the plane of the shoulder girdle) which is the Low Point of the Swing.
If your Head moves to the Right or to the Left of the Center of the Stance, the Low Point moves thus, you have to either...
1) Move it back to Center at impact or,
2) Shift your aiming point forward (if your head shifts right of center and stays there through impact) or backward (if your head shifts left of center and stays there through impact) to allow your club to get into an in-line position and not hit the ground first or the top of the ball or,
3) Have a ball position that already FACTORS in the amount of 'sway'.
With all due respect, if you have to ask me, "What are you talking about; can you elaborate on these compensations?", then use a Stationary Head Center.
Again, if your answer to the question "Can you make these 'compensations' at the same time, all the time?" is less than an affirmative 'YES!', use the Stationary Head Center.
The crux of the matter is this (and I don't think I can say it strongly enough)...
The Head is related to the Left Shoulder (by the simple fact that it rides on the plane of the shoulder girdle) which is the Low Point of the Swing.
If your Head moves to the Right or to the Left of the Center of the Stance, the Low Point moves thus, you have to either...
1) Move it back to Center at impact or,
2) Shift your aiming point forward (if your head shifts right of center and stays there through impact) or backward (if your head shifts left of center and stays there through impact) to allow your club to get into an in-line position and not hit the ground first or the top of the ball or,
3) Have a ball position that already FACTORS in the amount of 'sway'.
With all due respect, if you have to ask me, "What are you talking about; can you elaborate on these compensations?", then use a Stationary Head Center.
Again, if your answer to the question "Can you make these 'compensations' at the same time, all the time?" is less than an affirmative 'YES!', use the Stationary Head Center.
The crux of the matter is that the nature of the power package alignments and the way best to plan the shoulder motion's dynamically moving line per law of the triangle into impact.
You see the impact alignments that Homer Kelley pointed out relate to the primary lever assembly and the right forarm positioning - if you see the power package you have two which are under the constant control of the hands to precise alignments however if you visualise you can see yet another triangle from the left shoulder to the right elbow. By just using the primary lever alignments and right forearm alignments this triangle sits on a plane - this plane can be rotated on a line from the right elbow and the only means of control you have to this triangle is the amount of elbow bend. Elbow bend at fix is an amount in degrees and as such the best you can have a close approximation with the intention of the stationary head allowing enough leeway with the point between the shoulders that the right shoulder thrusts to a point (hip slide) before spining on its axis without significantly affecting the nature of the power package alignments mid stroke. This is fine tuning...
If you move the head out of its constant stationary position...suddenly the whole clubhead orbit and how your alignments operates, changes during the downstroke and becomes out of presise control. You turn a mechanical advantage into a thing that requires compensation. This is on a different radio show altogether...
The stationary head is a wonderful thing. The centered arc is the fundamental bedrock (as Jack Nicklaus might say) of G.O.L.F.
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