Just for information and/or clarification - this Homer Kelley swing was in the process of showing that you needed to HIT DOWN on the ball. I wouldn't consider it full power. I wouldn't say that it was a "normal" swing for him in this regard- there was very little concentration and no target awareness- he is emphasizing the downward blow- and thrust down plane- essentially demonstrating that to a student. So my comments are really just a minor addition - broadening the context of the clip a little- for anyone that is interested.
Just for information and/or clarification - this Homer Kelley swing was in the process of showing that you needed to HIT DOWN on the ball. I wouldn't consider it full power. I wouldn't say that it was a "normal" swing for him in this regard- there was very little concentration and no target awareness- he is emphasizing the downward blow- and thrust down plane- essentially demonstrating that to a student. So my comments are really just a minor addition - broadening the context of the clip a little- for anyone that is interested.
Ah yes spot on Mr. O.
And it should be said too cause ppl will say: "That's HK's swing??? What a pile of crap!"
When really...anyone who KNOWS knows his hands are Educated and he's demonstrating something.
And it should be said too cause ppl will say: "That's HK's swing??? What a pile of crap!"
When really...anyone who KNOWS knows his hands are Educated and he's demonstrating something.
1) Bucket were you paying attention - my friend from Canader- referred to me as Mr. O- take note you 1/2 of a machine- bucket of nuts and bolts! (Hey, haven't used the old hanging head thingy for a while!- back off.)
2) Regarding Homer Kelley's swing- His swing and golf game would be nothing to aspire to (that's the Politically Correct answer!) He's not your jock athlete. He didn't practice to be a good player. His best handicap ever would have been a 8. I play more in one year than the guy played in five or many more.
He was a researcher. Did he understand the concepts that he discovered in order not to hit fat/thin throwaway shots- absolutely.
Instead of rambling on- the point to make is this: It doesn't matter how good or bad Homer Kelley was at the game of golf- it is a separate issue from the validity of the information in the Golfing Machine. Said differently- imagine that you never have played golf and you read and read and over a number of years understood the entire Golfing Machine book and all of it's principles and all of it's detail, etc.- finally you decide to buy some clubs, step out onto the first tee and hit your first shot- well you can finish the rest of the story.
And it should be said too cause ppl will say: "That's HK's swing??? What a pile of crap!"
No...
Anyone who looks at this video of Homer Kelley's Swinging Golf Stroke -- deliberately abbreviated in accordance with his own words -- with its wonderful...
-- Standard Pivot and Lagging Clubhead Takeaway;
-- Snap Loading at the Top;
-- Delayed Release; and
-- Impeccable Impact and Follow-Through alignments...
And then utters the damning words in your quote...
Obviously has no concept of a geometrically-correct Golf Stroke.
Anyone who looks at this video of Homer Kelley's Swinging Golf Stroke -- deliberately abbreviated in accordance with his own words -- with its wonderful...
-- Standard Pivot and Lagging Clubhead Takeaway;
-- Snap Loading at the Top;
-- Delayed Release; and
-- Impeccable Impact and Follow-Through alignments...
And then utters the damning words in your quote...
Obviously has no concept of a geometrically-correct Golf Stroke.
Lynn you are spot-on...just like Mike O.
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I have heard people "diss" this clip of Homer....obviously they know nothing.
K I can't do it.....tear myself away that is....I never can....(I guess I sound like an alky or a CRACKhead here)....
Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Like everything else, to do it right takes practice.
To do a Stationary Head correctly? No doubt it does. Personally, I still am not sold that it's superior.
Originally Posted by THE BUCKET
If you ever get paired with Mike O . . . better Sway Bob and move your head all over the place. Last guy that beat him ended up hotdawg chili.
Keep bobbing and weavin so it don't get cut off?
Originally Posted by denny
Stand on a mirror that won't break,
go to the top the head will appear to have moved.
What do you mean appear to have moved? Are you saying there is some kind of illusion? I would think getting video would be best.
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Like the (mostly) shiftless plane is the goal so is the (mostly) Stationary Head.
So you're saying those things are merely ideals then?
I can see em as conceptual ideals a lot of the time...not real ideals. Concepts. That's how I see it mostly. Personally.
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Reality has to be dealt with.
I agree that reality must be dealt with...
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The head moves and the plane shifts.
I assume you mean "When trying for a Stationary Head and Zero shift the head moves and the plane shifts."
No?
That can also be true.
I don't think of them as ideals for (all?) humans tho so when my head moves and my plane shifts it's not an error in execution. (but that's just me)
Originally Posted by mb6606
Watch the video of Mr Kelley on this site. I figure 40 yrs of study and practice he could replicate what he taught.
His chin swivels to the right- does his head move? It appears to slighlty.
You know he must be trying for a Stationary head anyway.
And it's fairly Stationary....and you would expect it to be because he favored it.
We know that already tho so the fact that HK is doing it really is not surprising in the least....
The issue is whether this really IS the ideal all or even most of the time....not whether HK prefers it.
(although I don't think HK ever said anything but The 3 Imperatives MUST be done by every golfer)
He does bob quite a bit in this clip tho. I realize he is likely demonstrating something to someone (he's obviously emphasizing something there....prolly relating to Impact)...there is a bob tho. But w/e.
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I focus on his pivot. The pivot controls the sway or lack there of. Isn't the point for a stationary head to eliminate the sway and bob???
YES I agree that would be the point.
When you are BUILDING A MACHINE to swing a club it's true.....there is absolutely no reason for it's "head" (whether that be a post or w/e) to move. (sway and/or bob)
But that's when you're building a machine. You can build it however you want.
As I've already said....I think.....that the "human machine" (if this is what we want to call it) is different.
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(Hey, haven't used the old hanging head thingy for a while!- back off.)
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