Swingers really have to control that clubface as it whirls out. As your release swivel goes into its hinge action, it is too easy to over roll or under roll unless monitored. You have to know where you are going to be at impact.....
Johnny Miller on a show I watched via streaming the golf channel, said Jack Nicklaus pulled him aside and asked him what he was working on when he was at the top of his game and he told him he concentrated on his hands and how they were positioned at impact and how he didn't want them here 'turned' or there 'rolled' but just here - and he showed some beautiful flying wedges with the hands vertical to the ground.
Homer Kelley wrote somewhere in the book (roughly paraphrasing) - Program the intended impact hand location no later than the top and concentrate on that and not the means of getting there...
With the start up swivel of swinging should the toe of the club be pointing up at waist high or should it be actually lying on the plane by then, actually tilted more toe back? Just trying to get it correct since I am new to Swinging.
1. Can anyone show me where, in the book, the terminology 'start up swivel' is used???
If not, then please, lets not use it. Of course, it may be used, hence, my request for a reference.
2. By swinger, lets define.
True swinger - centrifugal force rules, including the squaring of the clubface.
'Swinger' - utilizes centrifugal force for power (loading, etc) but not necessarily alignment of the clubface, and in this case, adjustments may need to be made.
1. Can anyone show me where, in the book, the terminology 'start up swivel' is used???
If not, then please, lets not use it. Of course, it may be used, hence, my request for a reference.
2. By swinger, lets define.
True swinger - centrifugal force rules, including the squaring of the clubface.
'Swinger' - utilizes centrifugal force for power (loading, etc) but not necessarily alignment of the clubface, and in this case, adjustments may need to be made.
And again, start up swivel please.....
Great post, I'm foggy here as well (as others). I just finished the book and don't recall the start-up swivel. I posted a question in another thread on this subject. The nearest I could find to this idea was "fanning " of the forearm during start up. In my attempt to use the RFT I find that the face stays closed.
I think the question posed earlier might best solve the problem: What position does the face take with the shaft at horizontal, leading edge vertical to ground or is it parallel to (laying on)the inclined plane?
The answer could determine how much forearm rotation is needed during start up.
1. Can anyone show me where, in the book, the terminology 'start up swivel' is used???
If not, then please, lets not use it. Of course, it may be used, hence, my request for a reference.
2. By swinger, lets define.
True swinger - centrifugal force rules, including the squaring of the clubface.
'Swinger' - utilizes centrifugal force for power (loading, etc) but not necessarily alignment of the clubface, and in this case, adjustments may need to be made.
And again, start up swivel please.....
Did a search and could not find 'Start up Swivel' As far as "adjustments may need to be made" are you refering to 2-F. "When in doubt, “Turn” the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and the Sweet Spot will be on the same Plane at the Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point"?
Maybe the answer is in 6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES.
"The precision flying wedges assembly and alignment ... is mandatory during the entire motion."
Keeping the right forearm plane doesn't the swivel just happen?
On another note since the precision Flying Wedges is mandatory why doesn't it put them on par with the 3 imperatives?
Maybe the answer is in 6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES.
"The precision flying wedges assembly and alignment ... is mandatory during the entire motion."
Keeping the right forearm plane doesn't the swivel just happen?
On another note since the precision Flying Wedges is mandatory why doesn't it put them on par with the 3 imperatives?
Well noted mb6606 without getting too pedantic aren't 'imperatives' and 'mandatory' synonymous in this case in as far as they are both either compulsory or essential requirements for the stroke and therefore why shouldn't they be grouped?
With STANDARD WRIST ACTION there is a TURN, that happens very early in the takeaway. The term TURN is used when talking about the LEFT WRIST MOTION here. The RIGHT ARM does what is called FAN. With SINGLE WRIST ACTION... the TURN happens more gradually, near the TOP.
SWIVEL is a DOWNSWING term. With STANDARD WRIST ACTION, the TURNED left wrist must SWIVEL through the RELEASE into IMPACT. THE OTHER SWIVEL OCCURS AFTER FOLLOWTHROUGH(BOTH ARMS STRAIGHT), SO THAT THE SHAFT CAN STAY ON PLANE... going up the OTHER SIDE.
Maybe the answer is in 6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES.
"The precision flying wedges assembly and alignment ... is mandatory during the entire motion."
Keeping the right forearm plane doesn't the swivel just happen?
On another note since the precision Flying Wedges is mandatory why doesn't it put them on par with the 3 imperatives?
To a certain extent, one might argue this is a chicken/egg type question.
The Flying Wedges concept is absolutely a key, fundamental concept in TGM. Perhaps one of the single biggest 'simplifications', especially when combined with the concept of extensor action and proper wrist/hand positions in 5-0. A true "short course" in learning.
That said, you can obtain the imperatives without maintaining both wedges. One of the areas that I think determine hitter vs swinger trends in a given player is the degree to which their motion is more left wedge, or right wedge.
Remember, Homer didn't 'recommend' any particular pattern as being better than any other "except on the basis of mechanical advantage". Maintaining BOTH wedges, is certainly more of a mechanical advantage than only maintaining one.
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To a certain extent, one might argue this is a chicken/egg type question.
The Flying Wedges concept is absolutely a key, fundamental concept in TGM. Perhaps one of the single biggest 'simplifications', especially when combined with the concept of extensor action and proper wrist/hand positions in 5-0. A true "short course" in learning.
That said, you can obtain the imperatives without maintaining both wedges. One of the areas that I think determine hitter vs swinger trends in a given player is the degree to which their motion is more left wedge, or right wedge.
Remember, Homer didn't 'recommend' any particular pattern as being better than any other "except on the basis of mechanical advantage". Maintaining BOTH wedges, is certainly more of a mechanical advantage than only maintaining one.
I can understand mb6606’s desire to eliminate the gray areas between ‘imperative’, ‘mandatory’ or any degrees of mandatory. Many of us find it easier to think in black or white rather than degrees of black or white.
You say, “…you can obtain the imperatives without maintaining both wedges. One of the areas that I think determine hitter vs swinger trends in a given player is the degree to which their motion is more left wedge, or right wedge.”
Are any components of the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package basic structure, that Homer considers mandatory for Hitting or Swinging, altered to obtain these ‘degrees’ if not what is exactly?
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