I've given specific reasons to support my view, none of which have
been refuted by anything other than "because Homer said so" and the
areas which SHOW my view is correct, are dismissed or glossed
over such as:
"However, in practice, the actual angle to the Plane Line -- the
Forward Lean -- is dependent upon (and therefore determined by)
the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle of the Left Arm Flying Wedge at Impact Fix."
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First of all, my quoted response above was made while you were still asking
questions and before you disclosed your own "view." So, at
the time, there was no "view" to "support,"
"dismiss," or "gloss over."
Further, my comment was quite specific and did not "gloss over"
anything. You asked what angle the Flail (the assembly of Left Arm and Club)
makes with the ground when it gets In Line (given a vertical plane of
motion). I replied that the theoretical answer was 90 degrees since
the Flail gets In Line at Low Point (and therefore with Zero Forward Lean per
2-K #2).
But we seldom locate the Ball at Low Point. We locate it behind Low
Point. Hence, from a practical standpoint, the Flail usually gets In
Line well before Low Point, thus creating a Forward Lean of the Left
Arm Flying Wedge (the Left Arm and Clubshaft) and an angle greater than 90
degrees. That precise angle is dependent upon the degree of Forward
Lean at Fix. And that is exactly what I said.
Specifically, the degree of "Flail Lean" at Full Extension (In
Line) will be determined by the distance the Left Hand must move (from
its Impact Fix Location) as the Wrist completes its Uncocking Motion (from
Level to Uncocked).
By definition, low point means the FARTHEST from center that the rotational
force obtains (regardless of its orientation to the ground) - full radius
The HANDS are at their farthest point away from the body, and hence the swing
center, when both arms are straight. The club is in the hands, hence the
clubhead is, by definition, farthest away from center at both arms straight.
That is, unless there is bending/arch of the wrists.
Agreed?
Uh...no.
Not agreed.
1. The terms 'Low Point' and 'Radius' are not interchangeable. The Low
Point of the Golf Stroke -- which is what we're talking about here --
occurs when the Stroke Radius (the Left Arm and Club Assembly) points
directly at the Ground. This is axiomatic...self-evident...the way things actually
are (no matter how we may perceive them to be or wish them
to be).
2. The maximum distance of the Clubhead from the Body -- its Left Shoulder or
its 'Center' or its whatever -- is detetermined by the length of the Radius.
And, as stated, that Radius is the Left Arm and Club. Hence, the
Clubhead is at its farthest distance from the Body when the Left Arm
is Straight. The condition of the Right Arm -- Straight or Bent -- is
irrelevant.
Why would you feel that way? I'm not trying to play games Lynn, I'm trying to learn.
[Bold and color by Yoda/Yoda.]
Welcome, everybody, to The EdZ Jumbled
Jeopardy Game. And now, here's our
host, EdZ!
EdZ: Today's special guest is Yoda. Everybody ready? Here we go!
All right, Yoda, what category would you like?
Yoda: I'll take The Golfing Machine.
EdZ: Ah, good choice there, Yoda. First question, Flails
for $200, What is the correct angle of the flail to the Ground at full
extension?
Yoda: Theoretically, 90 degrees, but in practice, it can vary.
EdZ (Pressing Red Wrong!
Buzzer):
AAANNNNNNHHH!!! Sorry, Yoda! That's not the Flail I was talking
about. Mine is invisible and connects the shoulders with the Hands. Ready for
another question?
Yoda: I'll take Low Points for $300.
EdZ: Another good choice! True or False: The Low Point is always
under the ground.
Yoda: False. Depends on where you locate the Low Point at Fix.
EdZ (Pressing Red Wrong!
Buzzer):
AAANNNNNNHH!!!! Wrong again, Yoda, my man. I was talking about the Low
Point of The Force, not of the Club. Want to try again?
Yoda: <No response.>
EdZ: I said, Yoda, want to try again? How about 'Circles' for
$400?
EdZ's Assistant: Sorry, Mr. Z, but Yoda has left the building.
Said something about forgetting an appointment to get a root canal.
Interesting response Lynn, despite the school yard fun that some of the pups here
have had, and your encouragement of it with this post, you have still not
addressed my points, you have avoided them. "but... but, my answers
are correct within the context of TGM" say you.... homer was 'factually'
correct (aside from that unstable center to a rotational force that defies
the laws of physics, effecient rotational force)
clearly we disagree about the definition and location of flail, Ringer summed
this up well, yet you have not addressed the fact that the only TRUE full
extension of the swinging 'circular' force is that of both arms straight. It
is also clear that while Homer understood its importance, he didn't
understand WHY - and that is where the flail I am talking about comes in and
explains it. It also explains hitting vs. swinging, and why the mind is in
the hands.
You guys are unbelievable. Attempting to skew EdZ position just for simple
ridicule. A tactic over used time and time again. Yoda had the decency to
stay on subject and answer EdZ questions to the best of his ability.. you
guys just go off and start attacking EdZ. The classic TGM turn off tactic. If
anyone had just heard of the book and this website, saw the vicious posting
on the last few pages, you've pretty much lost them for a "simpler
system". You are the demise of your own success. But just keep blaming
EdZ for that. Say it's "dis-information" all you want. It just
makes you all look unable to form any concievable argument.
Ed and I obviously have different views here. And in holding those views, we
find a 'sameness' and also a 'difference.'
The 'sameness' is that we each hold an opinion. I believe that I have a
rational view of the Golf Stroke based on science, and that Ed has an
irrational view based on his personal version of 'seems as if.' He believes
the same thing, of course, only in reverse.
The 'difference' is that I don't demand he accept my view. In fact, I could
care less. If he only could bring himself to that same degree of tolerance,
the number of flying objects tossed onto his playing field would greatly
diminish.
Unfortunately, that seems to be a concession he is simply unwilling -- or
unable -- to make.
And Lynn - God
is an illusion, a bedtime story to make the sheep feel better
about what they don't understand, and a way for those sheep to
be controled.
Bravely spoken, O Wise One. But then, I would expect no less from one who
understands all.
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