lol I'm not even sure WHAT I'm referencing.....I just knew that the Hitter plays the ball more forward for a fade...so the face must be more open.
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Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.
Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.
Why do think Homer recommended the above procedure to Swingers over the Plane Line rotation method?
Why do think Homer recommended the above procedure to Swingers over the Plane Line rotation method?
This all comes under 7-2 and drawing or fading the ball.
If your a manipulated swinger- that is If you come into impact with the left wrist vertical to the ground (and flat and level), That is IF you control the clubface directly through controlling the alignment of the left wrist at impact- by making sure it is FLV, then that's what you're setting up at impact fix- regardless of ball location.
If you are a TRUE swinger - then you're letting centrifugal force line up the clubface- Then you don't retake your grip with different ball locations- you keep the same grip while changing ball location-that's when you would use Plane Line Rotation method. Because if you move the ball back- it's further from low point, and the face will be more open- or put another way - as you move the ball back- and then move the hands and club back- the face opens more. Since it is further from low point you'll fade the ball- so you rotate everything to the left - keeping the club and arms in the same relation to the body- until you've got the club face aimed at the proper starting point to allow for the fade to drift back to your ultimate target.
...for your outstanding posts #8 (Fading/Drawing for Hitters and Manipulated Hands Swingers) and #10 (Plane Line Rotation for True Swingers). They explain in layman's terms -- as near as possible while maintaining the necessary precision -- two of TGM's toughest concepts. Great stuff!
Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.
This all comes under 7-2 and drawing or fading the ball.
If your a manipulated swinger- that is If you come into impact with the left wrist vertical to the ground (and flat and level), That is IF you control the clubface directly through controlling the alignment of the left wrist at impact- by making sure it is FLV, then that's what you're setting up at impact fix- regardless of ball location.
If you are a TRUE swinger - then you're letting centrifugal force line up the clubface- Then you don't retake your grip with different ball locations- you keep the same grip while changing ball location-that's when you would use Plane Line Rotation method. Because if you move the ball back- it's further from low point, and the face will be more open- or put another way - as you move the ball back- and then move the hands and club back- the face opens more. Since it is further from low point you'll fade the ball- so you rotate everything to the left - keeping the club and arms in the same relation to the body- until you've got the club face aimed at the proper starting point to allow for the fade to drift back to your ultimate target.
A manipulated hands swinger is following Sam Sneads image of the 'hands in a holster' at address. The hands to body relationship always being the same (in a 'holster' approx inside edge of lead leg).
A true swinger has a different hands to body relationship at address, and hence not 'in the holster'.
It would seem to me to be much easier and more reliable to go with the manipulated hands approach (which is a bit of an ironic term) - the approach that Nicklaus uses.
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What should be the clubface condition at low point.
Square
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Close
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I was told that all 24 components (the accumulators only?) are at their in line condition at low point...
And some say all the accumulatosr (24 components?) are at their in line condition at follow through...
I think the later for me is more convincing.
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Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.
Here are some quotes from Lee Buck's Groove Your Swing My Way on this here very subject. Pretty interesting . . .
LEE BUCK ON AIMING THE CLUBFACE
"When it comes to aiming the clubface, I'm going to give you a real shocker. I'm sure you've all heard or read that you should aim the clubface down your initial flight path, or directly at your target, if you're going to make a straight shot.
If you're going to align yourself 30 to 40 degrees left of your flight path at address, you've also got to aim your clubface, and the back of your left hand, to the left."
WHY LEFT?
"If you aim your clubface to the left of your flight path, as I do, your wrist will not turn the clubface from right to left so radically through impact. Instead, to avoid hitting the shot to the left, wher you've aimed, you will tend to hodl your on-path clubface alignment slightly longer as it swings throught the ball. This increases your chances of making your clubface look in the right direction at the right time. The degree to which you should aim to the left depends on whether you normally slice or hook your shots."
Hmm . . . angled hinging and hitting???
LEE BUCK ON HOOKING . . .
"If you've been curving your shots badly to the left, you should try just the opposite procedure. First try aimingyoru clubface more to the left at address. This may make you react in yoru swing by reducing your wrist roll in that direction. You'll fear rolling your clubface to the left because you've already aimed father left. Instead, you'll hold the door open a bit longer through impact and thereby elimated the closed clubface that was giving you the hook."
Where have we heard the door analogy???
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